They "just" changed the terms of the debate.
They "just" claimed that ordinary people had the right to publicly, transparently, openly discuss the shared reality of 99% of us.
They "just" showed the world that there was widespread opposition to the status quo in the greatest imperialist power in the world.
They "just" sank into the national consciousness that 99% of the people are on the same side.
They "just" discarded the rhetoric of victimization.
....etc.
Joanna
----- Original Message ----- From: "Carrol Cox" <cbcox at ilstu.edu> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 7:13:33 PM Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Jacobin debate up
[I'm blind copying this post to some local people; I've written with some sense of its relevance to what and how we are proceeding in central Illinois.]
On 10/19/2011 7:39 PM, shag carpet bomb wrote:
> As best I can tell, what Doug is objecting to is the idea that "a way
> or life" is a sound approach to overthrowing capitalism.
Every fucking Marxist almost has this trouble, not just Doug. No one is trying to overthrow capitalism just now. That would be juvenile. OWS is merely, MERELY! a popular uprising. Its complete, unqualified success in spreading is the whole damn thing. And a popular uprising neither does things correctly nor makes mistakes. A hurricane doesn't make mistakes; it just is. But it sure as fucking hell does create a situation that people have to operate in.
OWS has totally changed the U.S. political CLIMATE. That's all!!!!!! Marxists, Anarchists, radical reformers should simply be leaping with joy, lending a hand when they can, and going about their own business in this new climate. OWS is not a Party. It is not a Party Program. It is not going to become a Party; it is not going to procliam a Party Program. Any 'criticism' of it takes it as a Party Program, and that is playing games in the sandbox. Irrelevant because it will not affect OWS in the least. If Jodi and Doug want a pseudo-Leninist (actually Stalinist/Trotskyist) Party they are wasting their time 'criticizing' OWS for not doing their work for them. Implicitly debates like this are a confession of impotence. They don't know how to start a Party so they are hoping to nag someone else to do it for them.
Pshaw!*
Carrol
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