[lbo-talk] bourgeois individualism

[shag carpet bomb]

no, i said trust is built when people don't violate that normative
demand from the group. i also said that, when someone does, then
everyone now knows that the person violated that trust and it
reinforces for them the importance of this norm, which they sometimes
take for granted and ren't even aware of. Let me drop a name: Goffman.
as a sociologist, you also know full well the answer to what happens
when someone does violate trust. indeed, there's an entire strand of
sociological research which shows that such "deviance" from normative
demands of a group is functional and necessary to solidarity.

I have no sense of what you mean by standard behavior in other groups
because you've provided no empirical examples of what you are talking
about.

you're a sociologist. if you don't know the answer to the question you
have about "standard behavior", I can't really help you with that
because your years of study and living life haven't given you a
klewX4. My brains aren't big enough to figure out how to be better
than the books you've read, teachers you've had, and colleagues with
whom you've collaborated. if they've failed, I am certainly not the
broad for the job.


> I think it is you who routinely eschews standard grammar and spelling
> on this list.
>
> But if you do not understand let me repeat - you state that mistrust
> is created when people who disagree turn around and violate an
> agreement by speaking for the movement.  I replied by saying this this
> is standard behavior in identity politics groups and internet
> discussion groups (including this one, I may add). I then asked how do
> want to overcome this tendency and built trust, which as you claim is
> essential to build  solidarity among diversity and disagreement.
>
> Is it sufficiently clear, or do I need to drop some names to further
> clarify it?
>
> Wojtek
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:05 AM, shag carpet bomb
> <shag at cleandraws.com> wrote:
>> your sentences make no grammatical sense. You might want to read
>> Alan
>> Tourraine on the Solidarity movement if you don't understand.
>>
>>> Shag: " If you aren't trustworthy, if people with
>>> whom you disagree and have arguments with in a working group turn
>>> around and violate an argreement by speaking for the movement,"
>>>
>>> [WS:] Sounds like a standard practice of pomo identity politics and
>>> internet-based discourse.  How do you want to built trust to
>>> overcome
>>> it?
>>>
>>> Wojtek
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