[lbo-talk] OWS Demands working group: jobs for all!

Max Sawicky sawicky at verizon.net
Mon Oct 24 13:48:35 PDT 2011


Well if we're on the same planet we're in different hemispheres. I'm thinking if we were in that debate at Bluestockings, you're on the side w/the anarchists and I'm between Doug and Jodi.

The only thing worse than employment is no employment.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:26 PM, lbo83235 <lbo83235 at gmail.com> wrote:


> On Oct 24, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Max Sawicky wrote:
>
> > More seriously, nobody is going to listen to enviro appeals if they can't
> > pay their utility bill.
>
> The point is to help them see the otherwise obvious connection, and to
> animate them toward the struggle that resolves both issues simultaneously.
>
> > On the latter point, there should be no doubt capitalism is unable to
> > provide consistent support for living standards. If you're saying more
> > employment and income are not appropriate objects of struggle, then I'm
> > afraid we're on different planets.
>
> If we were on separate planets, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be having this
> conversation. But "employment" - as opposed to appropriately rewarded,
> creative productivity - sucks, and income shouldn't be an existential worry.
> I assume you agree with this, in the main.
>
> In an emancipated world, inexcusable slacking when there's collective shit
> to do should still be treated with a degree of social derision, but only the
> most recalcitrant should be ostracised. And even they should probably still
> be fed - just not indulged, or encouraged to marry our offspring.
>
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