Poetry is stupid.
> As a side note in relation to question of meetings in the
> 'radical
> liberal' polemic, unfortunately, if you want action, you're going to
> have to have some meetings. Sections of the Occupy CA folks liked to
> pretend that their actions were 'spontaneous', but that was largely
> untrue. The most successful occupations had months of planning. Or
> to put it into the noxious language of Crimethink, let's face it,
> your fantasies of spontaneity are largely ineffective and boring as
> fuck. I'm down for exciting actions and horizontal organizing, but
> that stuff takes time and a lot of planning.
>
> robert wood
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Carrol Cox" <cbcox at ilstu.edu>
>>
>> If one operates from social
>> analysis ("data"_ will lead you to a deeper understanding of what
>> 'should' be or what is 'needed' to 'improve' conditions; but there
>> is no
>> necessary connection whatever between the 'goals' so selected and
>> the
>> slogans that will attract people to the fight -- that will not only
>> attract them but will energize their participation. And it seems at
>> present there is only _one_ 'demand' that will fulfill that purpose:
>> Resist the Corporate Attack on Democracy. We can perhaps build a
>> movement around that, and the energy unleashed within such a
>> movement
>> is the desire to know and to understand, AND THEN, but only then,
>> can we
>> begin to 'get back to' the demands "worth fighting for." In an ideal
>> world the "demands needed" would coincide with the "demands worth
>> fighting for," but if it were an ideal world we would not be in the
>> business of trying to destroy it.
>>
>> ---------------
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>> Joanna
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