Did she recognize that Wisconsin was a great victory for the left -- for the left worldwide?
If she didn't, then she knows nothing about left politics. It's odd: Since April in almost every local meeting here I have characterized Wisconsin as lighting a long fuse. And the people involved in local action and planning have accepted and repeated that; they've based their planning on it. They are rather better "Communists" than Dean is. Hell, people in Germany and elsewhere in the world have based their planning on that view of Wisconsin. I think my provisional definition of a Communist at this time is anyone who sees Wisconsin as a great victory of the global left. I began to see it that way when I read the first paragraph of Josh's post from the Capitol. Of course that was partly because I recognized the echo from the '60s at their best in that post.
Carrol
On 10/26/2011 10:32 AM, shag carpet bomb wrote:
> another reason to build, here and now, the world you'd like to live in
> as much as humanly possible. if you feel respected, appreciated, etc.
> in this world you've created with others, you'll take a rubber bullet
> to the forehead and keep coming back for more. You'll dance in the
> streets as cops attack you. you're willing to fight for another world
> you've come to believe is possible. As Polletta points out, it creates
> selves more, albeit imperfectly, capable of sustaining the long haul,
> when things are not so exciting, when everything's died down, when
> it's fizzled and you are back to your community garden and staffing
> the rape crisis center.
>
> as Malcom said at Bluestocking, it might be the case that there's lots
> of tension and bitter acrimony, almost complete lack of ideological
> agreement, but there's a reason why, when push comes to shove, you
> know you are going to fight that enemy and keep coming back for more.
>
> How else does anyone expect they are going to take state power?
>
> Dean worries about the lack of discipline. Dean thinks that people
> don't like discipline because of liberalism.
>
> Really now.
>
> *That's* what discipline looks like.
>
> Dean told everyone that no one on the "anarchist" side really
> understood that you have to draw lines, make choices, and take sides.
> They didn't get politics because they were so full of touchy feely I'm
> ok you're Ok stuff. They could never have the discipline to
> struggle toward the communist horizon under such deplorable
> conditions.
>
> Gosh.
>
> I have no more tits to fall off.
>
>
> <> [posted by Andrej Grubacic to Debate]
> <>
> <> Insane amount of violence in Oakland tonight. Much worse then
> during
> <> Oscar Grant riots. Many are injured. Broken limbs, hands, fingers.
> <> Oakland was a war zone. Police attacked women in wheelchairs,
> <> children. The protesters have been gassed at least 4 times this<>
> evening, and they are using sonic warfare as well as rubber bullets on
> <> unarmed civilians now. Thousands of people continuously tried to<>
> retake the plaza and regroup but tear gas, concussion grenades, and<>
> rubber bullets prevented them from taking over the plaza, at least for
> <> now. People were amazing. Atlanta Occupation was evicted few hours
> <> ago. Baltimore under attack. This appears to be a coordinated
> police
> <> action. It is not over (Oakland). People are dancing in the street.
> <> Police is back with flash bangs. New assembly is scheduled for
> <> tomorrow afternoon.
> <>
> <> Police launches tear gas, flash bang canisters into crowd:
> <> http://www.ktvu.com/video/29587140/index.html
> <>
> <> Oakland police fires teargas:
> <>
> <> http://gawker.com/5853372
> <>
> <> Protester injured by rubber bullet:
> <>
> <> http://twitpic.com/75wrpb
> <> More tear gas video reports:
> <>
> <> https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=237706202950462
> <>
> <> Occupy Atlanta:
> <>
> <>
> http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/occupy-atlanta-police-arrest-1209963.html
> <>
> <>
> <> --
> <> Ciao,
> <> Andrej
> <> ---
> <> "This river here is the official geographical limit between the<>
> Balkans and Mitteleuropa [Central Europe]. So beware! On the other<>
> side: horror, Oriental despotism; women get beaten and raped and like
> <> it. On this side: Europe, civilization, women get beaten and raped but
> <> don't like it."
> <> Slavoj Zizek
> <> --
> <> Andrej Grubacic PM Press Page
> <> http://www.pmpress.org/content/article.php?story=andrejgrubacic<>
> Z-Space:
> <> http://www.zcommunications.org/zspace/andrejgrubacic/
> <> Global Balkans Network:
> <> www.globalbalkans.org
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