[lbo-talk] Did Ron Paul really say this ?

[Mark Bennett]

Also in 1970, I was a member of the chorus of Christian High School in San
Diego, California, a school founded and overseen by none other than Tim
LaHaye.  For months we prepared for the annual concert, the first that was
to be recorded.  The highlight of the performance was to be a roof-raising
version of "This Land" which we practiced and practiced.  A night before the
long-anticipated show, someone informed the administration that Woody had
been a commie.   The shit, as they say, hit the fan.  "This Land" was
replaced with "America the  Beautiful," and it was a rather humdrum
performance that failed to bring down the house.  The recording was a flop,
not least because the inept engineer had placed my somewhat shaky bass far
too forward in the mix.   A couple of years later, long after I had been
expelled from CHS and was attending one of the fine public high schools that
formerly existed in Southern California, I researched the brouhaha and
nearly fell out of my chair laughing.   Our course, Tim LaHaye has long been
a power in the land, and Christian high schools have sprouted like mushrooms
after the rain.  I guess they had the last laugh.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:


> There used to be a radio show in Bloomington entitled Problems & Solutions
> --4 hours every afternoon. Originally it was the sort of show where people
> call in to ask how to clean a blouse or to give away a cat. But it often
> developed quite different subjects. One day the host was talking about
> makign "This Land" our national anthem. I phoned in and said, "You know,
> don't you, that Guthrie was a communist." "Oh no, he said, Guthrie was a
> patriot." "Exactly," I said. Any how, our local Bircher was soon on the
> phone, giving all the details about all those Communist musicians in NYC.
> She had a long list, but the onlyname I remember now is Leonard Bernstein.
> The curious thing about the Red Hunt, even in less nutty forms, was that it
> depended on the target being a "secret" communist. So before they could bait
> an open communist they had to somehow show that he/she denied being a
> communist.  The same woman was one of the witnesses before the legislative
> committee that had subpoenaed me in 1970 -- both funny & sort of pathetic.
> All she could talk about (the subject was post-Kent State events at ISU) was
> being able to smell the marijuana blocks away from campus.
>
> Carol
>
>
> On 9/30/2011 9:01 AM, Doug Henwood wrote:
>
>> I'd remembered that Goldwater shunned the JBS as nuts, so I refreshed my
>> memory on all this. WFB has an interesting memoir on all of it:
>>
>> http://www.commentarymagazine.**com/article/goldwater-the-**
>> john-birch-society-and-me/<http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/goldwater-the-john-birch-society-and-me/>
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Time was given to the John Birch Society lasting through lunch, and the
>> subject came up again the next morning. We resolved that conservative
>> leaders should do something about the John Birch Society. An allocation of
>> responsibilities crystallized.
>>
>> Goldwater would seek out an opportunity to dissociate himself from the
>> “findings” of the Society’s leader, without, however, casting any aspersions
>> on the Society itself. I, in National Review and in my other writing, would
>> continue to expose Welch and his thinking to scorn and derision. “You know
>> how to do that,” said Jay Hall.
>>
>> I volunteered to go further. Unless Welch himself disowned his operative
>> fallacy,National Review would oppose any support for the society.
>>
>> “How would you define the Birch fallacy?” Jay Hall asked.
>>
>> “The fallacy,” I said, “is the assumption that you can infer subjective
>> intention from objective consequence: we lost China to the Communists,
>> therefore the President of the United States and the Secretary of State
>> wished China to go to the Communists.”
>>
>> “I like that,” Goldwater said.
>>
>> What would Russell Kirk do? He was straightforward. “Me? I’ll just say, if
>> anybody gets around to asking me, that the guy is loony and should be put
>> away.”
>>
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