[lbo-talk] [SPAM_ISU] :Re: Lenin would support Pussy Riot

andie_nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Thu Aug 23 13:32:08 PDT 2012


One has to experiment, but is there any reason to think that this action contributed in any way towards building a movement?

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On Aug 23, 2012, at 1:53 PM, "Carrol Cox" <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:


> You are flummoxed because (a) you don't think politically and (b) think the
> same 'principle' should apply in all conditions.
>
> When there is no coherent left movement, left actions are first of all to
> raise the flag as it were, to call out that resistance exists. It _really_
> does not matter what the _content_ of such acts is but only that they ARE,
> they exist, they call out to others to rally around the banner of
> resistance. Content, particular goals, methods of organization, tactics,
> etc. can be worked out later, but NONE of these can be usefully discussed
> until some kind of Movement exists within which they can be discussed.
>
> Carrol
>
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> Look, I don't think PR should go to jail, but I don't find anything radical
> or interesting in their activities. If someone's consciousness is raised by
> the sight of a young woman sticking frozen chickens up her vagina, that's
> fine. But I'm flummoxed by the whole thing.
>
> Joanna
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Against the "radicals" defending Putin against Pussy Riot, I offer this bit
> from Lenin:
>
> Why is there not a single political event in Germany that does not add to
> the authority and prestige of Social-Democracy? Because Social-Democracy is
> always found to be in advance of all others in furnishing the most
> revolutionary appraisal of every given event and in championing every
> protest against tyranny. It does not lull itself with arguments that the
> economic struggle brings the workers to realise that they have no political
> rights and that the concrete conditions unavoidably impel the working-class
> movement on to the path of revolution. It intervenes in every sphere and in
> every question of social and political life; in the matter of Wilhelm's
> refusal to endorse a bourgeois progressist as city mayor (our Economists
> have not yet managed to educate. the Germans to the understanding that such
> an act is, in fact, a compromise with liberalism!); in the matter of the law
> against "obscene" publications and pictures; in the matter of governmental
> influence on the election of professors, etc., etc. Everywhere the
> Social-Democrats are found in the forefront, rousing political discontent
> among all classes, rousing the sluggards, stimulating the laggards, and
> providing a wealth of material for the development of the political
> consciousness and the political activity of the proletariat. As a result,
> even the avowed enemies of socialism are filled with respect for this
> advanced political fighter...
>
> http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/iii.htm
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