On Dec 19, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Wojtek S <wsoko52 at gmail.com> wrote:
> It is irrelevant to those who make those claims, not to me. As you
> say, there was an American plot to take advantage of polio
> vaccination. So what? Do you think it justifies, in any way,
> islamofascists assassinating health workers? Do you think that they
> would behave any different if the claims of an American plot turned
> out to be untrue?
>
> I really do not understand why US lefties take position that in effect
> exonerate Islamic terrorism, if not being overtly sympathetic to it.
> It is not the first time the left finds itself with its head up its
> ass - French commies used to praise Pol Pot as he was slaughtering
> thousands. US lefties used to praise Mao as he was persecuting
> thousands of teachers, writers, artists and intellectuals during the
> Cultural Revolution. What is it? A childish desire to cut off one'es
> nose to spite one's face? Let's face it, the fact that the US decides
> to go after some murderous barbarians does not turn the latter into
> heroes. So let's look at the situation as it is, rather than through
> the lenses of the US-centered politics - these folks are barbarous
> murderers that need to be hunted down and killed, no ifs, no buts, no
> excuses.
>
> Wojtek
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Carl G. Estabrook
> <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> It's surely a fascist position to assert that facts are irrelevant - or that the truth of an assertion depends on who makes it (barring certain self-referential statements).
>>
>> There was an American plot to take advantage of a polio drive in Pakistan, and none by Jewish bankers to secretly control Germany.
>>
>> --CGE
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Wojtek S <wsoko52 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I do not think that facts in both situations are relevant. The only
>>> thing that matters is hysteria about these allegations (true or false,
>>> doesn't matter) stirred up by forces that can be described as fascist.
>>> That is all that matters, as it is not possible to talk with fascists
>>> other than through the business end of a rifle as far as I know.
>>>
>>> Or let me rephrase it a bit. Suppose there had been a Jewish banker
>>> conspiracy in Germany in the 1920s. Does that mean that the Nazis may
>>> have had a point? Do Taliban or their ISI handlers? Or to use another
>>> example, more germane for the discussion regarding the circumstances
>>> of killing bin Laden - the actions of the Resistance in Nazi- occupied
>>> Europe were often followed by the Nazis rounding up and executing
>>> random people. Does that mean that the Nazis were right doing so,
>>> since they were "provoked" by the Resistance?
>>>
>>> Wojtek
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Carl G. Estabrook
>>> <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>> So you think that the American plot to take advantage of a polio drive in Pakistan, and the plot of Jewish bankers to secretly control Germany, are both myths?
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 19, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Wojtek S <wsoko52 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bill B: "Recall that there really was an American plot to fake a polio
>>>>> drive in Pakistan, as part of the preparation to kill Osama Bin Laden.
>>>>> The purpose of that fake polio drive was to get some dna samples from
>>>>> The Bin Laden children, it seems."
>>>>>
>>>>> [WS:] There was also a plot of Jewish bankers to secretly control
>>>>> Germany, we were once told. It seems that "Islamofascism" captures
>>>>> this mentality rather accurately.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Wojtek
>>>>>
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> Wojtek
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