meanwhile, i think doug's point is more accurate. the gen pub might now know, but the long memory to which he referred was *institutional* - government, dhs, police, national guard.
on that note, btw, I keep meaning to say that, personally, in my locale, I do not see that the general public has been influenced by occupy. activists have. that's it.
At 05:56 PM 2/10/2012, wrobert at uci.edu wrote:
> Thinking back to Doug's earlier comment, I think the fear isn't
>necessarily of violence, but of ungovernability, that ungovernability
>at times take the form of non-violent civil disobedience (for
>instance, a lot of the civil rights stuff in the south was really
>designed to shut stuff down, to destroy the workings of segregation
>in day to day life), at other times it takes the form of property
>destruction, and physical violence against people (the most notable
>form of this really isn't the black bloc historically, its most
>prominent in labor history.) There's more to say on this, but I'm
>going to stop there.
> In regards to Seattle, I think that Shane is right in regards to the
>public imagination, but it's remarkable how much of its tactics and
>debates have returned lately. I don't think that's because its a set
>of structural issues, rather it shows the extent that
>anti-globalization protests have held on within the activist
>imagination.
>
>robert wood
>
>
> > On Feb 10, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Shane Mage wrote:
> >
> >> "in mainstream memory" it was like a cat's meow in the middle of a sound
> >> night's sleep. Take a poll asking "mainstream" Americans what happened
> >> in "Seattle" and the answers would likely be about 90 percent "no idea,"
> >> 9.5 percent "what's a Seattle?" and 0.5 percent "wasn't that some sort
> >> of riot?"
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/nyregion/wall-street-demonstrations-test-police-trained-for-bigger-threats.html
> >
> >> But to the New York Police Department, the protesters represented
> >> something else: a visible example of lawlessness akin to that which had
> >> resulted in destruction and violence at other anticapitalist
> >> demonstrations, like the Group of 20 economic summit meeting in London
> >> in 2009 and the World Trade Organization meeting in Seattle in 1999.
> >
> >
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