[lbo-talk] More on BB antics and their defenders

shag carpet bomb shag at cleandraws.com
Sat Feb 11 12:26:55 PST 2012


rolling. this is exactly the argument antifeminist men use against feminism.

goshes! you say that feminists DO wear high heels and push up bras. But that one over there, she says that heels are like Chinese footbinding. What is it? You must be lying or just politically idiotic, erm, enthralled by a cute label which really just means a man dumped you once and now you hate all men.

also had the same arguments applied by anti-socialist redbaiters. thanks.

At 02:23 PM 2/11/2012, Angelus Novus wrote:


>Eric wrote:
>
> > How come opponents of BB and anarchism never take it seriously (or,
>in shag's terms, respect it)?
>
>The problem is rooted in the ambiguity of the very term "anarchism".
>
>On the one hand, there's "Anarchism" properly speaking, a historical
>tendency within the labor movement tracing its roots back to the Bakunin
>wing of the First International, and later theoretically elaborated by
>thinkers like Kropotkin, and reaching its organizational and political
>zenith in the Spanish CNT-FAI. This is basically the "Anarchism" dealt
>with in Daniel Guerin's book, with which Noam Chomsky identifies. This
>represents something like a defineable trend within the left, and it can
>be analyzed as such.
>
>
>Then there's "anarchism", which is just a nebulous term that newly
>radicalizing people apply to themselves in order to emphasize their
>distance from both Social Democratic electoralism as well as the various
>self-styled "Bolshevik" organizations. The problem with criticizing this
>kind of "anarchism" is that there isn't really anything to criticize,
>since it means something completely different depending on the individual
>using the term. So you have anarchists who reject voting, anarchists who
>vote, anarchists who reject labor unions or permanent organizations,
>anarchists who believe in those things, anarchists with a concept of
>"capitalism", and anarchists who reject such conceptualizing.
>
>
>In other words, when you ask why "it" isn't taken seriously, that's
>because there isn't any one singular "it" to criticize. Instead there is
>a multiplicity of various "its" that all happen to use the same
>label. It's not that anyone regards "it" with contempt or dismissal; it's
>simply that "it" doesn't really exist.
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