At 04:40 PM 2/11/2012, Joseph Catron wrote:
>A tiny correction: I'm pretty sure shag's describing the April 2001 FTAA
>Ministerial, which I attended in Québec City, not Montreal.
>
>On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 8:06 AM, shag carpet bomb <shag at cleandraws.com>wrote:
>
> > one thing of note: diversity of tactics emerged mostly in the context of
> > organizing *across* continents. Graeber does a case study of a Montreal
> > action, when they are trying to organize people coming from all over the
> > world.
> >
> > In the case Graeber describes, the diversity of tactics approach was to
> > address, among other things, the fact that the Mohawk nation on the US side
> > was organizing, gasp!, a Mohawk Warrior Days of Rage - in which they
> > planned to engage in extremely militant tactics.
> >
> > And so the Mohawk Warrior Council met with the folks from other countries
> > about the action. They returned to their community to consider how to go
> > about helping people cross the border to get into CA for the protest. I
> > suppose, of course, that we should tell the little teen girls of the Mohawk
> > Nation to get it together and submit to the will of family, a bunch of
> > organizers in Montreal, Spain, and NYC, right?
> >
> > NOTE: there was some concern here on the part of people trying to get into
> > Canada. If the Mohawks raised a militant ruckus, and brought down the wrath
> > of the police state, the people counting on them to get them across the
> > border would have been screwed.
> >
> > And then he goes on to describe the Montreal action in a Temporary
> > Autonomous Zone, 10 blocks from the convention, underneath a highway
> > overpass where precisely the kind of situation we've described, gasp!,
> > actually happened: people got out in the streets, ordinary folks, old and
> > young, and started attacking the police, 1000s strong. Starting bonfires to
> > disperse - !!!!! - the teargas! LOL
> >
> > He quotes an activist who says, " 'We've been under attack for at least an
> > hour now. It's amazing! There are thousands of people there now, more
> > coming all the time. There was a pitched battle, and we won.'
> >
> > She goes on to describe the building of a giant bonfire in the TAZ space
> > to neutralize the tear gas. (shag: *cough* *cough* *gag*) The police
> > brought up a water cannon to try to put it out. But people stuck it out.
> > Meanwhile, more and more ordinary citizens are joining us. there are now
> > thousands on the highway. They're calling them the 'bangers' because, for
> > an hour, they've been banging rhythmically on the metal barriers on the
> > side of the highway, making so much racket that it can be heard at the
> > Convention Center ten blocks away. The police started mortaring the highway
> > too, and sent lines of troops to clear the area using beanbag guns and
> > plastic bullets, but to no avail. Even when they started using the water
> > cannon. Old people, families, union folks, everyone started raining bricks
> > and boards and flaming debris down at the cops. Finally, the police
> > withdrew."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 04:13 PM 2/10/2012, shag carpet bomb wrote:
> >
> >> i agree with Ferenc. Please don't stop the pyscho-therapy session!
> >>
> >> Missy!
> >>
> >> whee! mommy-daddy-me!
> >>
> >> Graeber's article is like a Rorschach test. holee shit!
> >>
> >> but seriously, the point he's making, missy, is this:
> >>
> >> when you treat people as deserving of respect. when you assume that they
> >> reallly DO have the best interests of the fami...errr group at heart, and
> >> when you assume that they don't come up with their tactics b/c they are
> >> uncomprehending children, then you have to make room at the table for
> them.
> >> They aren't children to your adult.
> >>
> >> But because you reveal that you think of them that way - as wayward
> >> children in need of schooling - that is precisely why they get upset
> and no
> >> longer care what the hell you think.
> >>
> >> it's pretty much a basic principle of conflict resolution.
> >>
> >> you are not the adult in the situation and "they" are not the children.
> >> that you leak that basic assumption reveals, from the get go, that the
> >> enemy of solidarity is you, yourself. not to get personal, but there
> it is.
> >> try as y'all might to pretend to respect other people, you simply
> don't and
> >> leak it all over hell.
> >>
> >> mommy-daddy-me. please, stay on the couch!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 03:04 PM 2/10/2012, Julio Huato wrote:
> >>
> >>> Graeber's argument sounds to me like (and the anarchists will hate my
> >>> metaphor) a teenage daughter threatening her parents: "Do not even try
> >>> a curfew on me or ask me to do my room or my homework, because then
> >>> you're going to push me to do heroic drugs and move with my boyfriend
> >>> tomorrow." Well, missy, we have a family here. We need to pull
> >>> together or else we're not really functioning a family. (Wish family
> >>> and political issues were as easy as typing things here.)
> >>>
> >>
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