[lbo-talk] A liberal geek defense of Ron Paul

Jim Farmelant farmelantj at juno.com
Thu Jan 5 03:09:08 PST 2012


On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:06:04 -0800 (PST) Mike Ballard <swillsqueal at yahoo.com.au> writes:
> shaq remarked: "People should own it. They're Liberals. So the hell
> what? why be embarassed by that. Why do Liberals so insist that they
> aren't Liberals? Why do they want Marxists to love them so much?"
> ******************

It seems to me that Phil Ochs made most of the same points concerning liberals over 45 years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpIB7tXOHCA

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>
> IMO, liberals don't like being identified as such because the right
> has made the word a synonym for 'weak', just as they have more or
> less successfully managed the image of conservative as
> 'strong'--think big bad Rick Perry or Sarah Palin, Moose hunter from
> the wild. 'Weak' translates into being a pushover for the currently
> designated bad guys in the world, them and the welfare cheats
> waiting under the soft, feathery wings of liberalism to get on the
> dole and destroy 'the economy' from within.
>
> Liberals are really just people who want a kinder and gentler form
> of wage-slavery. Liberals are for social reforms like unemployment
> benefits, Medicare and Social Security. Liberals cannot see how an
> alternative to the rule of Capital (social relation) could ever come
> about. In essence, liberals want a free market with State
> intervention (for humanity's sake) via taxation.
>
> Conservatives, want all the surplus value possible to be under the
> control of the employing class. This is called, 'being realistic'.
> If a conservative has to bow before a clutch of Tea Party fanatics
> to get the purist definition of 'conservative', so be it. Real
> conservatives believe that any interference by the political State
> with the interests of the capitalists and landlords to make as much
> money as possible is an encroachment on the free market which in
> turn is identified as being the base upon which all freedom is
> grounded.
>
> Liberals want Marxists to love them because, in addition to
> believing in the equality of classes under the rule of law and
> freedom of religion, they are for protecting the civil liberties of
> all, including Marxists (unless they become a threat to the rule of
> Capital's hire-arky). Liberals say, "See...we are liberal; but if
> you were in power, you'd tell us to shut up or face jail."
>
> On the other hand, people who read and agree with Marx's class
> analysis of political-economy, don't hate liberals or conservatives,
> even though conservatives and liberals hate each other and Marxists
> too. Marxian communists concentrate their critical reason and
> organisational power toward abolishing the wage system, the root
> which all alienation (including the alienation from political
> power), war and poverty grow. Marxian socialists realise that there
> are only two sources of wealth in capitalist society and they aren't
> the capitalist and landlord classes-- they are wage-labour and
> natural resources. Far from TINA or the equality of classes, marxian
> socialists strive for a society of equal political power between all
> men and women.
>
> Well, that's how I see it, anyway.
>
> Hi-ho,
> Mike B)
>
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