Although, even in the integrated model, where a child learns by being successively integrated into the community,and learning skills thereby, there remains a mentor/mentee relationship, and depending on the psychopathology of the mentor, there might still be some banking going on.
But mostly, you're right.
Joanna
----- Original Message ----- you both remind me of the analyses of teaching as a highly sexualized exchange. you are up there, on display, dispensing knowledge in a position of power and authority. In this view, teaching is a little bit like the experience between analyst and analysand. in which case, although carrol is correct that the lights going on thing is ancient, what *is* different is the context in which it all happens:
the rise of schooling - which refers to a specific process where learning becomes a separate function, pulled out of the family and community.
the process of age grading - where students are grouped by age and separated from those younger and older
the gendered nature of schooling (admittedly changing) - where men are increasingly dominant in roles higher up that age grading latter so that they are the great majority of teachers in college and beyond, etc.
the professionalization of teaching - where teachers must go through more and more levels of schooling to be able to interact with students
the dominance of the "banking model" of schooling - you put knowledge into their brains and then expect to be able to withdraw it on command
the dominance of knowledge as something one passively receives, as a product of a teacher, rather than as something that one achieves, actively claims, works for as the learner in community with other learners.
etc./
The point, of course, is that this supposedly "special" experience becomes highly personalized, individualized, seen as the unique work of a special teacher and that it can only happen in certain contexts: with teachers, lone individuals, standing alone at the front of the classroom, the font of knowledge, the very reason for a light going on, etc. that the teacher makes this happen, and not the student. that it's the product of a unique, individual, lone experience
At 03:04 PM 1/13/2012, Jeffrey fisher wrote:
>On Jan 13, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Alan Rudy <alan.rudy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Dennis Redmond
> <metalslorg at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Alan Rudy <alan.rudy at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> That said, there are the moments when students actually get something.
> >> You see the little lights go on, and there's nothing more wonderful in
> >> the world.
> >>
> >> -- DRR
> >>
> >>
> >
> > very very true, its almost as great as when they ask you what you're
> > teaching next semester and then they show up in a class.
>
>Yep
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