[lbo-talk] Obama Speaks Out on Trayvon Martin Killing

Jordan Hayes jmhayes at j-o-r-d-a-n.com
Fri Mar 23 10:15:03 PDT 2012


Wojtek:


> But still, you do not have "stand your ground" or
> concealed weapon laws in the North.

Here's a good summary of which states have Castle Doctrine laws:

http://thelastword.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/21/10797253-states-with-stand-your-ground-laws

But you're wrong about concealed carry "shall issue" states: nearly the whole nation is that way now. The wikipedia article has a (nice!) animated map showing the change in the last 30 years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States

DC and Illinois are the only "no issue" places left, with Hawaii, New Jersey, and Maryland being effectively that way.

I think this will be interesting to see what the Grand Jury says on this one.

I found this article interesting as well:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/20/2703579/state-senator-calls-for-hearings.html

<snip>

But the lawmakers who crafted the legislation in 2005 - former

Sen. Durell Peaden and current state Rep. Dennis Baxley - said

the law doesn't need to be changed. They believe it has been

misapplied in the shooting death of Trayvon by a Sanford

crime-watch captain, George Zimmerman.

Zimmerman has not been charged because, police said, it appears

he acted in self-defense. The Seminole County state attorney's

office decided Tuesday to take the case before a grand jury.

"They got the goods on him. They need to prosecute whoever shot

the kid," said Peaden, a Crestview Republican who sponsored the

deadly force law in 2005. "He has no protection under my law."

Peaden and Baxley, R-Ocala, say their law is a self-defense act.

It says law-abiding people have no duty to retreat from an

attacker and can meet "force with force." Nowhere does it say

that a person has a right to confront another.

The 911 tapes strongly suggest Zimmerman overstepped his bounds,

they say, when the Sanford neighborhood crime-watch captain said

he was following Trayvon and appeared to ignore a police request

to stay away.

"The guy lost his defense right then," said Peaden. "When he said

'I'm following him,' he lost his defense."

</snip>

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The question, for me, is why the police so quickly to declare this a self-defense issue; I hope that's one of the issues looked at in the Federal Civil Rights investigation.

/jordan



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