[lbo-talk] This time it's a September Surprise on Romney

Wojtek S wsoko52 at gmail.com
Fri Oct 5 14:11:20 PDT 2012


Shane: "I don't get to choose, not even if I wanted to, not even to an infinitesimal degree (I'm voting for Jill Stein, of course). Romney would perhaps get marginally worse things done, but the prospects for effective opposition mobilization might well be a bit worse under Obama. It does kind of look like Obama is "The More Effective Evil," however even that isn't clear enough to say that one of those clowns would surely be worse than the other."

[WS:] Honestly, I really do not understand this logic. Elections are not a choice between some left wing wet dream and the establishment candidates, but between different types of establishment candidates. In this particular case, it is between a moderate/center right politician Obama and a corporate-rider-turned-politician pandering to far right elements Romney. The choice is clear to anyone with even a half brain. This is all that there is - there is no other option available and there will not be in our life time. No way.

Now, if you want to find people who will smash business hegemony and establish some version of social justice / socialism in the United States - the political establishment is perhaps the last place to look for such people. So why on Earth are you acting as if you expected a miracle and hope to see a socialist, nay, a mere social democrat even, successfully running for POTUS? The Hell will freeze over before this happens - and expecting this borders on some weird Messianistic cult.

I would not vote for any Third Party candidate - not just one that will attract less than 1 percent of popular vote but even the one who has a sensible socialist or social democratic platform with a broader appeal - for a very simple reason. Presidential elections will not bring a social change to this country, no matter who will get elected.

Even Karl Marx. Rooting for anyone who creates appearances that such change is about to happen is nothing but false hopes and delusions. Presidential elections may loosen or tighten the yoke around your neck a bit and that is all that there is to them. Id' rather have my yoke loosened than tightened. If you want a social change, stop looking into electoral politics and start a revolution ;)

PS. If you are criticizing my posting to this list, could you refrain from addressing me in third person and use the proper second form of address? It sounds rather condescending. -- Wojtek

"An anarchist is a neoliberal without money."



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