[lbo-talk] Graber on consensus

Gar Lipow gar.lipow at gmail.com
Mon Mar 4 20:49:33 PST 2013


On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote:
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> On Mar 4, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Wojtek S <wsoko52 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> As far as I know, there has been a continuous growth humanity and its
>> material possessions for the last 5 thousand or so years, so
>> capitalism, whatever that is, does not have a monopoly for growth.
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> Most definitely not true. Growth is almost entirely a product of capitalism. Among many other sources, here's Robert Gordon:
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> http://www.cepr.org/pubs/PolicyInsights/PolicyInsight63.pdf

Not really a good source. He starts at most a couple of centuries before capitalism. Not that I don't think your point is not probably valid, but your source does not support it. As I understand it, and it has been a while since I last glanced an the literature on this, there was actually a huge drop in standard of living in the transition from hunter-gatherer to agriculture. Row crop and orchard agriculture became a supplier of staples in the face of climate change (again as I remember the literature). Much more labor required for a given amount of food than foraging and hunter gathering, but food could be grown in a smaller area. That became critical in the face of climate change when the size of the population that could be supported through foraging and hunting dropped drastically. Agriculture was miserable compared to pre-agricultual life, but chosen because the alternative was death. I do wonder if there were no increases in the standard of living from early neolithic agriculture to later forms of agriculture - for instance the use of bronze and eventually iron. Anyway odds are there is someone on this list who is familar with the recent literature on the first point, and probably Doug can point to literature on the second.
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