On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Jordan Hayes <jmhayes at j-o-r-d-a-n.com>wrote:
> Wojtek writes:
>
> I do not particularly care about individual gun
>> ownership in the US or elsewhere.
>>
>
> And yet:
>
> However ...
>>
>
> (everyone always has a big but #peeweeherman )
>
> ... many people I tried to avoid in my life were vocal supporters
>>
>> of gun ownership, but they were also raging right wingers, macho
>> assholes, bigots, and competitive, aggressive, or spiteful
>> individuals.
>>
>
> You can't seem to help yourself to equate the two, not three sentences
> later.
>
> So you'll fogive me if I don't believe your opening statement. I think
> you care very much about it. You say you don't know whether your friends
> are gun owners or not, and I suspect that you have at least some who are
> but would never tell you because they fear your scorn. Your urge to judge,
> label, and discard those around you for the crime of being, in your view,
> macho seems all very ... macho, to me.
>
> The OP asked: where is the left argument for gun rights? I am
> sympathetic. The government monopoly on just about anything is usually
> worth at least a second look, and firearms having a direct line to actual
> violence makes it even more interesting. The Underground Railroad no doubt
> "also" allowed many common criminals to escape prosecution; similarly the
> Bit Torrent technology no doubt "also" allows organized criminals and child
> pornographers to roam the Internet unfettered; Bootleggers, I'm sure, were
> "also" involved in all manner of behaviors Unbecoming Of An Officer. Will
> some "gay married" couples batter each other and perpetuate gender role
> stereotyping? Are some abortions undertaken irresponsibily? Do some
> welfare recipients cheat?
>
> Can you not be both anti-macho and anti-anti-gun at the same time?
>
> Apparently your answer is no.
>
> /jordan
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