On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Arthur Maisel <arthurmaisel at gmail.com>wrote:
> I don't think we should be telling each other what we "really mean." The
> fact that the gun owners that WS knew were also right-wing nuts doesn't
> equate the two (except in the cases he knew).
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> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Jordan Hayes <jmhayes at j-o-r-d-a-n.com>wrote:
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>> Wojtek writes:
>>
>> I do not particularly care about individual gun
>>> ownership in the US or elsewhere.
>>>
>>
>> And yet:
>>
>> However ...
>>>
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>> (everyone always has a big but #peeweeherman )
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>> ... many people I tried to avoid in my life were vocal supporters
>>>
>>> of gun ownership, but they were also raging right wingers, macho
>>> assholes, bigots, and competitive, aggressive, or spiteful
>>> individuals.
>>>
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>> You can't seem to help yourself to equate the two, not three sentences
>> later.
>>
>> So you'll fogive me if I don't believe your opening statement. I think
>> you care very much about it. You say you don't know whether your friends
>> are gun owners or not, and I suspect that you have at least some who are
>> but would never tell you because they fear your scorn. Your urge to judge,
>> label, and discard those around you for the crime of being, in your view,
>> macho seems all very ... macho, to me.
>>
>> The OP asked: where is the left argument for gun rights? I am
>> sympathetic. The government monopoly on just about anything is usually
>> worth at least a second look, and firearms having a direct line to actual
>> violence makes it even more interesting. The Underground Railroad no doubt
>> "also" allowed many common criminals to escape prosecution; similarly the
>> Bit Torrent technology no doubt "also" allows organized criminals and child
>> pornographers to roam the Internet unfettered; Bootleggers, I'm sure, were
>> "also" involved in all manner of behaviors Unbecoming Of An Officer. Will
>> some "gay married" couples batter each other and perpetuate gender role
>> stereotyping? Are some abortions undertaken irresponsibily? Do some
>> welfare recipients cheat?
>>
>> Can you not be both anti-macho and anti-anti-gun at the same time?
>>
>> Apparently your answer is no.
>>
>> /jordan
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