[lbo-talk] stupidity is most dangerous in people with high IQ

Carl G. Estabrook galliher at illinois.edu
Sat May 18 08:26:46 PDT 2013


I think Carrol has got this quite right. US planners are not idiots.

If the primary product of the Greater Middle East ("Central Command") were asparagus, we wouldn't have half the US military there, and the administration would not be up nights worrying how to control a potentially restive US public. Why have they used Wilson's Espionage Act more than all earlier administrations combined?

See The Audacity of Hope for Obama's own reflections on the antiwar movement of 40 years ago.

--CGE

On May 18, 2013, at 10:16 AM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:


> Marv G: "The invasion was not solely or even primarily about military bases
> and oil; wider strategic interests were at play. And it was a defeat, not a
> victory, for US imperialism. This was the basis of our disagreement"
>
> I seriously cannot comprehend _any_ of the key words here: "oil,"
> "imperialism," "defeat." No one has said the invasion was about oil; it was
> about _control_ of oil. There seems no common ground on which to debate.
>
> Capitalist corporations (European, U.S., perhaps Russian & Chinese) now
> handle Iraq's oil. The presence of U.S. troops in Iraq make it impossible
> for any Middle-Eat power to interfere with that control. Iraq, followed by
> Libya and Syria, has been destroyed as an independent power. Iran is
> completely encircled and the capacity of the Iranian government to subsidize
> consumption has been destroyed.
>
> If that is a defeat for imperialism (freedom for capitalist corporations to
> operate on a global basis) I would hate to see what a victory would look
> like.
>
> Carrol
>
>
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