^^^^^ CB: Sure they are. Society will always have children, elderly, disabled who will not be able to work and will receive welfare. "From each according to work, to each according to need" pronounces precisely that there will be welfare in communism.
Providing for the general"Welfare" is in the Preamble to the US Constitution , and is therefore one of the purposes of America, by the way. One of the declared purposes of America is to provide socialist institutions.
"Ownership" refers to property relations. Since the abolition of _private_ property is the goal of Marxists, not the abolition of all property, what remains in socialism is exactly publlic property or public ownership.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:21 AM, andie_nachgeborenen < andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Public ownership and a welfare safety net are not socialist. They are
> things socialist should support, but socialist institutions change the
> relations of class power. The institutions you list do not. The pop front
> slogan Communism is 20th century Americanism failed (certainly to promote
> Communism)' and your recasting it in terms if socialism a touch of H Rap
> Brown is also a allure. 'Americanism" is historically defined as the
> opposite of communism, ruggesred individualism, Hiratio Alger, pull your
> sell up by your bootstraps, In today's jargon, continually reinvent
> yourself as a marketable commodity in a world where whatever you reinvented
> yourself as last time is off shored or already obsolete ,
> anti-collectivist, anti-gummint, etc.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 3, 2013, at 12:53 PM, c b <cb31450 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > - Occupy Healthcare
> > Ridiculous! Why would anyone listen to him?
> > “Heritage Foundation president and former Senator Jim DeMint suggested
> > to a town hall audience in Wilmington, Delaware Thursday that health
> care
> > programs like Medicare and Medicaid are “un-American” and built on the
> > principles of “socialism and collectivism.”’
> > Like · · 17282 · August 30 at 7:00pm ·
> >
> > Charles Brown They are built on principles of socialism and
> collectivism
> > , but socialism and collectivism are as American as apple pie. The
>