[lbo-talk] Joan Robin's "Economic Philosophy", and Karl Popper

Luke Pretz luke.pretz at gmail.com
Tue Apr 29 09:59:34 PDT 2014


Use value and exchange value and abstract labor totally exists before capitalism. However, production of commodities for their exchange value was not dominant until capitalism.

Also, LTV and circuits of capital do explain the accumulation of capital and wealth a la m-c-c'-m'.

Solidarity,

Luke

On Apr 29, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:


> It can't be that simple, since "wealth" was continuously produced for
> thousands of years before capitalist relations of production emerged.
> Abstract labor and "value" are unique to capitalism. Wealth (including a
> surplus) is NOT unique to capitalism. The LTV does _not_ explain wealth; it
> explains _value_, which does not exist prior to capitalism.
>
> Carrol
>
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> JF writes: "This BTW seems also to have been the reason why Joan Robinson
> abjured the label of Marxist, even though she greatly admired Marx. For her
> to be a Marxist required accepting the labor theory of value and dialectical
> materialism. As a good English empiricist she rejected both as metaphysics."
>
> If socially necessary labour time ceased being applied to the production of
> goods and services, no wealth would be produced. That's always swayed me
> toward the labour theory of value.
>
> Mike B)
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