[lbo-talk] Fwd: Help Prog. Caucus move DC on war vote

[Carl G. Estabrook]

From: "Carl G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
> Subject: Re: Help Prog. Caucus move DC on war vote
> Date: October 19, 2014 at 2:04:50 PM CDT
> To: Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
> Cc: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, "<lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>" <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>
> 
> Oh, shucks, Bob. 
> 
> My scheme to bully and intimidate you into opposing Obama's ongoing mass murder has failed, defeated by the fact that you know more than I do about this topic. 
> 
> Curses! Foiled again!
> 
> Regards, CGE
> 
> On Oct 19, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
> 
>> Your personal insults aren't going to accomplish anything, Carl. They're certainly not going to bully or intimidate me. The fact that I know more than you do about this topic isn't something that you can surmount with bullying and abuse. 
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>> 
>> Robert Naiman
>> Policy Director
>> Just Foreign Policy
>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> You're getting silly, Bob. We should approve limited murder because if we don't Obama will murder more?
>> 
>> Obama's already bombed more counties than Bush and killed 5,000 people (including 200 children) with drones alone. 
>> 
>> How about promoting a serious anti-war movement against Obama's mendacious war-policy?
>> 
>> It worked against the anti-war candidate elected in 1968.
>> 
>> --CGE
>>  
>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
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>>> "Isn't it obvious that a "limited" AUMF is another charter for the war the administration is promoting, rather than a check on it?"
>>> 
>>> As with anything else, context matters. The key context is: no-one or virtually no-one following the matter closely believes that the war can be stopped outright anytime in the next several months, including by defeating an AUMF.
>>> 
>>> Thus, in the world of practical affairs, the choice you propose to offer is a false one. Should I try to ride my mule to town? Or should I try to ride my unicorn to town? My mule is old and slow. My unicorn is young and fast. The only problem with my unicorn as a means of transportation is that it doesn't exist. So I have no alternative but to try to ride my mule. 
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>>> 
>>> Robert Naiman
>>> Policy Director
>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>> (202) 448-2898 x1