Dave Dellinger told the story that when he visited North Vietnam during the Vietnam War, Vietnamese government officials said to him, we love the anti-war demonstrations in the US, that's really great, we want to see more of that. But there's one thing that puzzles us, perhaps you could explain it. Why do we see anti-war demonstrators carrying NLF flags? The anti-war demonstrators should be carrying American flags.
"Every shopkeeper knows the distinction between what men are, and what they say they are. But our bourgeois historians have not yet won this most trivial insight."
Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:15 AM, Joseph Catron <jncatron at gmail.com> wrote:
> Robert, can you name a single successful movement in US history -
> hell, let's be generous and say world history - that included only
> whiny liberals?
>
> I'll be the first to admit whiny liberals have their role. Everything
> takes an ecology of actors. But if we're all whiny liberals, I suspect
> nothing's going to get done.
>
> Yes, the people involved in these actions are overwhelmingly
> Palestinian, and predominantly Muslim. So what? There are others in
> the city for those wanting something ... whiter.
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:55 AM, Robert Naiman
> <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
> > When I see stuff like this, it makes me shake my head and not want to be
> > involved. What is the point here? Is it to organize Palestinians,
> Muslims,
> > Trots, or is it to organize Americans more broadly to oppose US and
> Israeli
> > policy? If the latter, the rhetoric doesn't make sense. It attacks the
> > adversary for having a narrative of defending Jewish lives rather than
> > having a universalist narrative, but the competitor narrative it offers
> > isn't a universalist narrative, but a "pro-Palestinian" narrative. Is
> that a
> > basis for organizing Americans who aren't already members of the choir?
> >
> > Oh, look, the International Action Center is involved. What a surprise.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert Naiman
> > Policy Director
> > Just Foreign Policy
> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> > (202) 448-2898 x1
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Joseph Catron <jncatron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: A.R. G via Marxism <marxism at lists.csbs.utah.edu>
> >> Date: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:22 PM
> >> Subject: [Marxism] SOLIDARITY WITH THE PALESTINIAN UPRISING, 18 Oct 5PM,
> >> NYC
> >> To: jncatron at gmail.com
> >>
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> >> *From NYC Students for Justice in Palestine & NY4Palestine*
> >>
> >> https://www.facebook.com/events/1509792672665088/1509867779324244/
> >>
> >> *Sunday, 18 October 2015, 5PM Times Square*
> >>
> >> In the past few weeks over 30 Palestinians have been killed and more
> than
> >> 300 wounded in acts of IDF/settler agression in the West Bank, East
> >> Jerusalem and Gaza.
> >>
> >> *BRING A PALESTINIAN FLAG AND A KEFFIYEH WITH YOU*. We will make Times
> >> Square a SEA of Palestinian flags to show the zionists how many stand
> with
> >> our cause.
> >>
> >> In response to the justified uprising of the Palestinian people, Zionist
> >> activists have chosen to organize a 'Jewish Lives Matter' rally in Times
> >> Square this Sunday, October 18th at 5:00pm. They will be wearing blue
> and
> >> white to represent Israel, as well as IDF t-shirts. Besides the fact
> that
> >> they are appropriating the black liberation movement by hijacking the
> >> slogan Black Lives Matter, they are holding a moment of silence for
> >> murdered israelis without regard for the disproportionate violence and
> >> death experienced by the Palestinians every day.
> >>
> >> They are glorifying the terrorist organization of the IDF, who are
> >> responsible for the torture and murder of Palestinian civilians. In the
> >> past week, over 20 Palestinian youth have been murdered by settlers,
> many
> >> of which have graphic video evidence being taunted by and mutilated by
> >> israeli settlers during and after death. Where is their moment of
> silence?
> >> This Sunday, we stand against outrageous number Palestinian children and
> >> civilians that have been murdered by those belonging to the same Zionist
> >> group as those gathering in Times Square on this day.
> >>
> >> We stand against 'Israels right to defend' itself against innocent
> >> children
> >> and civilians who clearly pose no threat.
> >>
> >> We stand in solidarity with the movement for Palestinian liberation from
> >> 60+ years of Zionist occupation, violence, and settler-colonialism.
> >>
> >> We stand in retaliation to the appropriation of the black liberation
> >> movement.
> >>
> >> We stand against Zionist repression, and racist Zionist ideology that
> >> weighs israeli deaths as warranting more outrage than that of
> >> Palestinians,
> >> when Palestinian deaths are greater in number and weaker in
> justification.
> >>
> >> Bring keffiyehs, flags, signs and join us on this day. Join us loudly in
> >> proclaiming that Resistance is not Terrorism, Occupation and Colonialism
> >> are Terrorism!
> >>
> >> *Endorsed by:*
> >> NYC Students for Justice in Palestine
> >> NY4Palestine
> >> American Muslims for Palestine (AMP) NY & NJ
> >> Al-Awda NY: The Palestine Right to Return Coalition
> >> Samidoun Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network
> >> International Action Center
> >> Existence is Resistance
> >> Labor for Palestine
> >> NYC Solidarity with Palestine
> >> Muslim American Society - MAS NY
> >> Jews for Palestinian Right of Return
> >> - Amith
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