[lbo-talk] Those who claim chimps have culture do not understand the full nature of culture.

robert wood wood0257 at gmail.com
Tue Nov 8 17:12:13 PST 2016


Carrol, But how can revolutionary transformation occur if we haven't decided on the crucial question whether the Soviet Union was a degenerated workers' state or a form of state capitalism? Robert Wood

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:


> I disagree, _strongly_, with Charles on two questions: (1) Marxism is not a
> TOE, as he seems to assume; (2) Revolution cannot, in any strong sense of
> the word, be theorized. But it seems to me that in this case, both Shane
> and
> Joanna are committing the same error Charles makes. Both assume that one
> can
> take a general principle and rigorously deduce from that principle the
> future actions of anyone who holds the principle. I have often learned from
> Shane, but it is becoming more and more obvious that continuation of the
> "War Against Stalinism" is a children's game which fucks up understanding
> of
> the world. Both Trotsky & Stalin are as irrelevant as Antony & r Octavius
> and Antony. And principles do not have anything whatever to do with cruelty
> to animals, though cruelty to animals is a practice that may become the
> source of principles. But it is the cruelty, not the principles, which must
> be opposed.
>
> Dogmatism cannot be a substitute for dogmatism -- and that is what both
> Shane & Joanna are attempting to do.
>
> Carrol
>
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