[lbo-talk] [marxism-thaxis] Corey Robin on "The New Socialists" - NY Times

Charles Brown cb31450 at gmail.com
Sat Aug 25 05:38:32 PDT 2018

Notice Marx and Engels's idea of socialism includes State ownership and control of financial sector and communication and transportation .

Nationalize/ Wall Street , telephone, Internet and autocompanies ! factories (!), Fred and Chollie suggest.

In the US, the State includes the federal, state and local governments . City police are a critical section of the US State.

The State is the institutor of socialism in Engels and Marx's idea of socialism. It was not Stalin who put so much State action into Marxist socialism giggles; it was Marx, Engels and Lenin.

"These measures will, of course, be different in different countries. Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable. 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. 8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.


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> On Aug 25, 2018, at 8:13 AM, Jim Farmelant <farmelantj at juno.com> wrote:
> I think that Corey Robin's article suffers from a confusion between socialism and social democracy. The latter is basically capitalism plus a welfare state and maybe some state owned industries. The former is premised on an overturning of the capitalist mode of production and its replacement by a mode of production based on social ownership of the means of production where the associated actually run the enterprises in which they toil and where distribution of what is produced moves over time from the principle of from each according to her ability to to each according to her work, to the principle of from each according to her ability to each according to her needs.
> To be sure social democracy would be a big step from what we have now. But then, we must ask ourselves why social democracy has been in retreat over the past thirty years, including in its traditional strongholds like the Scandinavian countries.
> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/opinion/sunday/what-socialism-looks-like-in-2018.html
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