SI Swimsuit issue: Holy Cow!!

Greg Nowell GN842 at CNSVAX.Albany.Edu
Fri Mar 19 14:35:24 PST 1999


thank you jane!! wasn't it funny that there was very little talk of men's bodies getting painted and puddinged? and when there was, it was suggested that this would be difficult because men had that thang! that whosis! that just could be disguised.

Hey, there's a dozen or more words for female genitalia and at least as many for the male. I don't find "cock" any better than "whanger." Notwithstanding the comment made by s.o. else about a painted thumb, I do think it would be hard to disguise a whanger. But maybe not if it were shaved and rolled up into itself. It could be like Tinky-Winky's purse. But there is an asymmetry here as cultural convention eroticizes female breasts more than male, hence the bikini. I'm not certain that a man with a painted shirt would have the same effect. But maybe. We won't know till someone does it?

(say it buoys, really, say it! it's okay to just come out and say "cock" in fact, i *demand* it because every other word is just plain icck and childish) tho, bill seems to think it could be disguised 'properly,' so i'll give him credit. "it just ain't easy being a buoy. <sob> don't hate me cause i've got this thang! it's so ugly and stands at attention altogether too often" lord, y'all sound like my students, specifically het buoys, who tell me that the reason why porn is about women is because women are clean and beautiful while men are dirty and not beautiful.

GN: I don't have this image of porn. But I bet if you weighed it or measured it by pixels or whatever porn featuring women is far greater by any quantitative measure than porn featuring men. And if you throw in advertising, even more. Advertising to men eroticizes women. But advertising to women *also* eroticizes women. There probably is some linkage to "porn" but I'm not sure what it is. I do however think it is cultural given the number of erect penises on Greek vases.

greg said
> At a store near you! What if a 13 year old
> took it to skool?

well gregg my son, who's 11, lead us on a two week search for the dang thing prior to it's official release. i thought i had him succesfully convinced that they'd been sold out til they went and had an SI special the night before offical release. so i let him watch, but retreated to the office and had to listen to him while he gave me blow by blows of the events on the show. joy! and greg dear every 11 yr old buoy was very nearly required by social convention to bring the dang thing to school the next day. what planet do you live on anyway?

Well, there's the world, and there's the world I live in. The world I live in has very little Playboys and very few children and none of adolescent age. I'm very much out of touch with cultural innovations. But in the world that I grew up in, taking a Playboy to elementary skool would have been a big deal. Taking a swimsuit issue (of the old variety) probably would have passed. I don't know what our enlightened authorities do about SI in its current mode. But I bring it up because it would be one indicator of what "society" considers "normal." (in the sense of ought to be, rather than what is. The usual focus is to make kidz live in whhat ought to be, while they watch us do what is)

kelley --gn. -- Gregory P. Nowell Associate Professor Department of Political Science, Milne 100 State University of New York 135 Western Ave. Albany, New York 12222

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