sans titre

Chris Doss itschris13 at hotmail.com
Fri Mar 17 22:54:33 PST 2000


Man muss auf Deutsch "Platt" scheriben, nicht "Plaut."


>From: Ken Hanly <khanly at mb.sympatico.ca>
>Reply-To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com
>To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com
>Subject: Re: sans titre
>Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:39:11 -0600
>
>Is it Plautdietsch or Plautdeutsch? I read German at one time but I cannot
>understand much of what is said when someone speaks it. Steinbach is noted
>more for competing with Winnipeg for auto sales than for German dialects
>nowadays. I understand that the Hutterites also speak
>Plautdeutsch. Doesn't this mean "low German"? The Hutterites are living
>proof that collective agriculture can be successful. They used to produce a
>very large percentage of all hogs in Manitoba. They also own a processing
>plant.
> Cheers, Ken Hanly
>
>Scott Martens wrote:
>
> > Ken Hanly a écrit:
> >
> > > Exactly. Interestingly enough the Merriam-Webster online
> > > dictionary
> > > notes that the term may be derived from a group, the
> > > Montagnaise I
> > > believe, who speak an Algonkian language.
> >
> > Montaignais is more or less a dialect of Cree. Of course,
> > what distinguishes a dialect from a language is mostly
> > opinion and small arms. The case could be made that its the
> > same language as James Bay Cree. They are about as different
> > different as, say, Steinbach Plautdietsch (an example you
> > might be familiar with) and standard German.
> >
> > That comparison is sort of off the top of my head, so don't
> > go quoting me as an expert on that. My Plautdietsch is
> > better than my Cree, and I haven't spoken either in years.
> >
> > At any rate, I wouldn't put too much faith in the story that
> > its a Montaignais word either. As a former lexicologist, I
> > know how often dictionaries get things wrong. I've heard
> > that "eskimo" is a word for "meat-eater", "snowshoe people",
> > and I've heard that it's Cree for "cock-sucker" or some
> > similar insult. I'm skeptical until I see someone with a
> > well attested word in some variant of Cree that sounds like
> > "eskimo" and something to show that the HBC had some contact
> > with them around the same period when "eskimo" is first
> > attested.
> >
> > On the other hand, it's not exactly a world shaking issue.
> >
> > Scott Martens
> >
> >
> >
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