Charles: You wrote:
> "Hate speech" is not my thing. You will have to ask
> someone who uses that term. I am for , as part of a
> workers program for election, socialists running for
> state power, outlawing fascistic racist or genocidal
> speech.
> And, no, Henry's comment was not fascistic racist or
> genocidal speech. It was typical e-mail list
> flaming, of the type that I have seen before
> many many times on this list alone. Methinks the
> effort is phony to portray Henry's comment above as
> worse than things I hear here all the time.
How's this then: calling for someone's 'summary intellectual execution' to my mind is proof enough of their proto-fascist tendencies. It is *not* usual email flaming, and ABSOLUTELY NOT characteristic of the polemics on this list. People have accused each other of willful misreading, being ignorant of/too reliant on sources, postmodernism, vulgar Marxism, left Hegelianism, bourgeosis liberalism, and infantile leftism, sometimes quite rudely. If you wait long enough, I might call someone a vulgar pro-situ or thoroughly decomposed spectacular imbecile.
But this is something else.
I say it's near/proto-fascist speech, and your saying that you care only about fascist/genocidal speech, not hate speech per se is an equivocation on the order of objecting to "premature anti-fascism."
As far as being a bourgeosis in revolutionary's clothing goes, I remember Doug saying on more than one occasion that the goal was still to expropriate the expropriators. On the other hand, I remember Henry Liu advocating *day trading in foreign currencies* as a means of redistributing wealth. If that's a man on the inside, then he's a capitalist inside the left, rather than a leftist inside capitalism. -- Curtiss
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