Tahir, you are an arrogant, illiterate fool, and it's people like you who turned me off M<arxism in the second place. Goodbye. jks
>From: "Tahir Wood" <twood at uwc.ac.za>
>Reply-To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com
>To: <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com>
>Subject: More Plato
>Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:21:16 +0200
>
>Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:58:27 +0000
>From: "Justin Schwartz" <jkschw at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Plato
>
>It's not to say that at all. Brenner's point is that SOMETHING happened in
>England around 1500 that was historically special. Feudal-type societies
>were the norm around the world, stable and long-lasting. Then the English
>did something--quite accidentally--that created an anomalous but very
>dynamic alternative that has, in 500 years, swept all before it. You know
>this. You are being deliberately perverse.
>
>This is just such crap that I can't leave it alone I'm afraid. Stable and
>long lasting? No class conflict, no emergence of a bourgeoisie from within
>the womb of feudalism, no conflict of interest between merchants and
>aristocrats? No opposition to the role of the church ever? Have you ever
>heard of the absolutist state? If you have how do you explain its rise? The
>only kinds of thing that I can think of when you say the English did
>something quite accidentally are things like colonise America, India and
>half the rest of the world, import slaves into America, wipe out the
>indigenous inhabitants there, invent certain types of industrial machinery,
>create banks that could be used to accumulate the surplus from all these
>adventures. Wow what a series of accidents! It's crap like this that
>reminds me of why I turned to marxism in the first place.
>Tahir
>
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