> "False consciousness?" Who said anything about this regrettable,
stillborn
> phrase from Lenin? To say that your sense of identity is exploited and
> manipulated isn't necessarily to say you're a mindless robot. And I
don't
> say that. Never have, never will.
>
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Please give a non-defeaible definition of manipulated. Am I manipulated when I choose Skippy over Jif? Ther problem is you use the term manipulated in a pejorative sense, implying what, exactly? If people aren't robots who gets to decide when they're manipulated, social scientists, MBA's, attorneys, who gets the final say?
> Again, who said there was? Meanwhile, does the sociality of human
selves
> mean that manipulation and exploitation are indistinguishable from other
> kinds of interactions? That's nihilism. I also don't believe that's
what
> anybody actually thinks, either. You'd have a pretty screwed up life,
if
> you really believed this.
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Where did I assert that they wer equivalent to all other interactions? The issue is who gets to determine when they occur given the polysemy and contestabilty of the context of application of the terms; you're presuming a god's eye view and that's every bit as much a problem as the nihilism you abhor. Indeed they're flip sides of the same coin.
> Exploitation in the labor process
> > and the system of property and contract that make it possible
>
> Make what possible? Self-identity? That's just silly.
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No silly, the system of property and contract make exploitation within the labor process possible. The formal and real subsumption of labor to capital [ownership of access to dead labor & means of payment]. That's naive marxism in two sentence, bless William Ockam.
> I don't believe in nations, since you're asking. I favor world
government,
> with large, medium, and small subordinate levels of government.
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So you don't believe in entities which obviously exist. Now who's the nihilist?
>
> As if there were a final, objectively true theory of
> > property and contract..........
>
> Huh? More nihilism, I think...
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Oh, please. Methinks you need to go read some 20th century legal theory, lots of it.
> Socialism: the form of society in which all decisions, including major
> economic investment decisions, are governed by democracy.
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I should have a say as to what kind of soap somebody in Africa wants to make and sell? She/he should have a say in what kind of toilet paper I buy? Please. Democratic decision making should determine whether electrons exist? Please. There's a reason the division of labor exists and there's a reason, even under any form of democracy one could think of, that a division of political labor would exist whereby significant classes of decisions simply would not be subjected to majoritarian 'rule.'
Next time you assert that I'm a nihilist it's in the blocked sender file 4 u.
Ian