>At 11:08 PM 1/11/03 +0800, Grant Lee wrote:
>>Kelley
>>
>>At the moment I can't explain it better than this:
>
>well, I've got all day, next week, and next year, at least. I'm
>pretty patient.
>
>>"Relations of Production: The objective material relations that exist in any
>>society independently of human consciousness, formed between all people in
>>the process of social production, exchange, and distribution of material
>>wealth." http://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/r/e.htm
>>
>>Note that "independently of human consciousness"
>
>ok, so here, i'll wager we have a difference as to what
>"independently" means--ontologically speaking.
The Brooks article brings up one example: objectively we can say all kinds of things about polarization and immobility in the U.S. income distribution - but it barely matters in politial discourse, despite having all kinds of "noneconomic" effects (ill health, depression, crime...).
Doug