[lbo-talk] RE: 77% of Americans support the cretinous judge

[Shane Mage]

>On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 11:33  AM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>
>>Then a number of interesting people are guilty of the same crime.  Cf.
>>Thos. Jefferson & friends, good Enlightenment liberals, who wrote in the
>>summer of 1776 that the independence of the American states was founded
>>upon the laws of God -- indeed, that it was "self-evident" that people are
>>"endowed by their Creator" with fundamental rights.  --CGE
>

The Declaration speaks of "Nature and Nature's God."  If this is
deism, deism is merely a synonym for pantheism.  In any case, it is 
quite incompatible with any form of theism (that is, belief in a 
personal
creator of the natural world).  The "Creator" of the "inalienable
rights" is explicitly Nature.

Shane Mage

"Thunderbolt steers all 
things."                                                         

Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64


>American history really ought to be taught better.
>
>The "Founding Fathers" who used this kind of God-talk were mostly 
>*deists* (look up the word in a dictionary) -- very far indeed from 
>the know-nothing Judge-Moore-loving idiots we have to contend with 
>today.
>
>Over and over, we hear this historically mistaken crap that "our 
>nation's founders were Christians, so this is a Christian nation." 
>Please, let's not have leftists falling into the same trap.