[lbo-talk] life in Camp X-Ray (1)

D F Cornwell dorenefc at aol.com
Sun Mar 14 21:33:22 PST 2004


Why disbelieve this particular detail and credit the rest of the story? The detail sounds disgusting and offensive on numerous counts and darned misogynistic on the part of the captors too. Given much else that is knows about USers' lack of cultural sophisticaion, it might be assuming too much cultural awareness to think someone knew enough to try this approach, but I do not find it so easy to dismiss this detail.

Of course, I am half tempted to wonder where they found vice girls since Camp Xray is pretty resolutely all-male. When a contractor was trolling on the internet for interpreters to help perpetrate "questioning" of the detainees, the first two requirements for the postions were amle and US citizen. 8-(

DoreneC

andie nachgeborenen wrote on 3/14/2004, 8:23 PM:

> Like Doug, I don't think that "What's wrong with

> _them_?" is the first question that leaps to mind

> about people we kidnapped and detained and (possibly

> tortured) without charges or representation for

> several years. Many of those detained and abused may

> be fundamentalists whose beliefs are appalling. I

> wasn't aware that liberals thought that having

> appalling beliefs meant that they forfeited their

> basic rights.

>

> This story is not, however, credible. I would believe

> reports of physical abuse (beating, electroshock,

> hanging from handcuffs, and so forth), sleep

> deprivation, bright lights all the time, etc. We know

> the US does these things. But this particular

> complaint is unlike any "torture" I ever heard of, far

> too imaginative for Americans, and inconsistent with

> American puritanism. It sounds like a mysogynistic

> fantasy.

>

> jks

>

>

> --- Brad DeLong <jbdelong at uclink.berkeley.edu> wrote:

> > >Daily Mirror (London) - March 12, 2004

> > >

> > >MY HELL IN CAMP X-RAY

> > >By Rosa Prince and Gary Jones

> > >

> > >A BRITISH captive freed from Guantanamo Bay today

> > tells the world of

> > >its full horror - and reveals how prostitutes were

> > taken into the

> > >camp to degrade Muslim inmates...

> > >

> > >But Jamal's most shocking disclosure centred on the

> > use of vice

> > >girls to torment the most religiously devout

> > detainees.

> > >

> > >Prisoners who had never seen an "unveiled" woman

> > before would be

> > >forced to watch as the hookers touched their own

> > naked bodies.

> > >

> > >The men would return distraught. One said an

> > American girl had

> > >smeared menstrual blood across his face in an act

> > of humiliation.

> > >

> > >Jamal said: "I knew of this happening about 10

> > times. It always

> > >seemed to be those who were very young or known to

> > be particularly

> > >religious who would be taken away...

> >

> > Why do these ex-captives hate and fear women so

> > much?

> >

> >

> > Brad DeLong

> >

> >

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