[lbo-talk] Re: Political Cartography

Todd Archer todda39 at hotmail.com
Sun Nov 21 19:50:35 PST 2004


Doug said:


>>Turbulo at aol.com wrote:


>>>Who says a welfare state must be capitalist besides you?
>>>
>>>John Thornton
>>>
>>
>>
>>Me


>If you can't see much difference between Sweden & the U.S., then I'd say
>your categories are a little too broad.


>Doug

And aren't you making a category error here, Doug?

Turbulo was stating a welfare state must be a capitalist one; s/he wasn't talking about the degree of private or socialized ownership involved.

Obviously Sweden and the US are both very different in many ways wrt ownership, but they're both still capitalist states (neither state is declaring for the proles, to put it very messily).

Justin snarked:


>Both Sweden and the US are capitalist dictatorships in which the workers
>writhe under the iron >heel of capital. Right?

Cute.

Gotta keep them hoi polloi socialists or commies or whatever in their place, right Justin? They just need to see the light of reason and rationality just like you did, huh?


>Good conversationalists participate in the real discussion.

Now _that's_ irony.

Todd



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