[lbo-talk] Re: Political Cartography

andie nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Sun Nov 21 21:08:17 PST 2004


And what light of reason am I supposed to have seen with which I presume to illuminate the hoi polloi socialists or commies? Are you another one of those people who wants to remind me that I am not a socialist or commie? Fine, I'm not, who cares. If I ever need a reference when I am nominated for a federal judgership, I'll ask you guys. "Is he a socialist or commie?" "oh, no, not at all, just another apologist for bourgeois liberalism." "Oh, that's good. Wait, did you say liberalism? So he is a commie."

I guess real socialists of commies can't tell the diff between Swedish social democary and US neoliberalism -- as long as there are capitalists and wage labor it's all the same. Is that what you are saying?

Am I supposed to be ideologically deficient because I think this is false, because I think that social democracy would be a great advance even if it wouldn't, what end exploitation, make the working class into the ruling class, etc? If I am a litle sharp about people who appear to say this sort of thing, it's because I think it's manifest rubbish and politically totally counterproductive.

I've tried being nice about it -- even today, but this same old ultraleftist shit keep coming back, along with the litmus test. I won't identify as a Marxist-Leninist, so I must be some kind of pro-capitalist apologist. No wonder you guys are totally isolated. Shesh. Maybe you want it that way, it's the only thing I can figure.

jks


>
> Justin snarked:
>
> >Both Sweden and the US are capitalist dictatorships
> in which the workers
> >writhe under the iron >heel of capital. Right?
>
> Cute.
>
> Gotta keep them hoi polloi socialists or commies or
> whatever in their place,
> right Justin? They just need to see the light of
> reason and rationality
> just like you did, huh?
>
> >Good conversationalists participate in the real
> discussion.
>
> Now _that's_ irony.
>
> Todd
>
>
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