> Back in 1985 Theodore Roszak published a little pamphlet called "From
> Satori to Silicon Valley" about how the bay area hippie ethos evolved
> into a technophilic utopianism that spawned silicon valley... and a
> google search reveals it's now online at:
>
> http://library.stanford.edu/mac/primary/docs/satori/
>
> its quite insightful if i remember correctly and probably reinforces
> much of markoff's history.
>
> i'm sure his book is some sort of morality tale, that's how you sell
> books in this country, so i can understand why you want to react
> against it, but i thinking you'd be missing something to just dismiss
> it. The potential for social change is bound up with a culture's
> fantasies of liberation, that's one reason to pay attention.
>
> -- adam
>
That's all well and good, and I think "making of a counterculture" is a premier analysis of how Marxism as practiced in the western world is totally futile, but at a social level, I'd like a reply from a Marxist "planner" type as to how the following situation is somehow productive in the long run. I think we are now seeing the long run of "...a culture's fantasies of liberation,", which can also be called wishful thinking. A psychological syndrome.
How could the following benefit anyone but a small elite?
> And lets not EVEN get into the sociology and ecology of having a cowtown
> like San Jose and evirons become a major international city within a 50
> year time frame. Anyone my age who grew up there watched their community
> crumble as the city grew with total sprawling abandon, to provide for an
> industry that only supported the native citizens begrudgingly, and secondarily.
>
Unless someone would care to dispute that?
Any rich *native* Santa Clarans on the list over the age of 40? That would have made the person about 18-20 in the mid 80s... ...about the time the boom hit it's stride.
You'll be an exception... not a rule.
I propose that the standard of living for the average valley dweller has been absolutely destroyed within the last 40 to 50 years, and that's not socialist, and it sure isn't progressive, except in the sense of progressively making money at the expense of the existing community.
> On 4/23/05, Leigh Meyers <leighcmeyers at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Subject: [lbo-talk] Yahoo! News Story - 'Dormouse' Retells Silicon
>> ValleyHistory
>>
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>>
>> It would be nostalgic if true.
>>
>> Sorry Thomas... I think the author is hallucinating a different
>> Silicon Valley than I lived around for the last 30 years. I wouldn't
>> even know where to start except to say that his assertion that the
>> "geeks" generally had normal social skills, and were antiwar
>> politically active are both revisionist fabrications.