Brian Charles Dauth writes:
> Dear List:
>
> John writes:
>
>> . It's just another commodity in my opion also.
>
> So is the book of philosophy I purchased on my
> way home tonight. What difference does it make
> that it is commodity? I wonder if behind this notion
> that it is only a commodity, is the belief that it is a
> commodity society would be better off without?
>
> Leigh writes:
>> How much do you pay for your ... "toys"?
> As little as possible, but I always end up
> spending more since I usually get mine
> individually crafted. They last longer and are
> more, shall we say, effective.
>
> How much do you pay for yours -- like books,
> your computer, your car, your tv, etc.
Gave up cars years ago, don't need one, after many years of driving for a living, and I haven't watched any appreciable amount of TV since the '70s. Maybe that explains why I'm outside the "pretzel" of the some of the twisted logic and rationalizations I'm seeing here... I'm missing my "programming". Haven't seen any scantily clad women getting garroted on the tube recently, or tall dark handsome "eternals" lopping each others heads off.
My books are ALL used, at this point... Occasionally a new one slips in, but the libraries usually work quite nicely thanks.
My first new(1yr old) state of the art Compaq Presario was a gift from someone who was pleased with some work I had done for them, and knew that I had been been "limping along" with an old boat anchor '386.
I'm acutely aware of the foibles of the computer industry but there's no way around the issue(yet), however, we *can* control our sex drives in relation to causing damage to society... "keeping it in our pants" is do-able, at least once we get beyond.... 19 years old?
>> "There's nothing "alt" about renting a flat
>> for a weekend or a month and doing a shoot.
>> That's the "industry" Baby!
>
> Not among the people I know. Some of the
> best porn today is being done by amateurs
> in an non-industry way.
OK, so what about the thousands of other people that are being "screwed"(sic) by the sex industry?
I'm supposed to pander to your friends while people all over the world do this because they have no other options? How callow and shallow.
Sometimes you just have to shut the M/F down to fix the problem, but you seem to think(along with others) that a 16 year old junkie girl doesn't deserve a chance to do something else, she should just learn to enjoy... while it doesn't aversely affect you and yours.
What branch of Buddhism do you study Brian?
You seem to have some serious misconceptions about the first tenet.
Do no harm.
>
>> I just see some of the destructive and
>> self-destructive tendencies of the "terms and
>> conditions", so to speak, of parts of these
>> lifestyles... and I don't want that issue to go
>> unchallenged.
> And these self-destructive tendencies are
> (specifically)? Also, are these terms and
> conditions limited to the production of porn?
Don't waste my time. Think outside your own box.
>> I'm sex industry bashing.
> Why not just industry bash?
I do... When they abuse a high percentage of their workers.
>
>> What makes *IT* socially and culturally more
>> useful and humanistic than the military industrial
>> complex is for some *other* interest group?
>
> How many Iraquis have been killed by dildoes?
I dunno... Ask Charle Graner and his wannabe sadist girlfriend Lyndie. Does rape by the police with a broomstick handle ring any bells for you?
>
>> What people do in privacy is their business, and
>> what gets "marketed" is society's business.
>
> Agreed. And we need a great deal more marketing
> of positive sexualities -- including erotica, porn, toys,
> workshops and sexual retreats.
Absolutely... as soon as the hyped marketing of sex stops, we MIGHT be able to make truly informed decisions about our sexuality.
>> The merits and disadvantages need to be discussed
>> in context of a broad range of issues beyond simple
>> personal liberty, and take into account the possibility
>> of the illusion of "happiness" being mistaken for the
>> real thing... to the detriment of others.
> And what is illusionary about the plesure of sex?
> (Is this a new kink I didn't get the memo on?)
...to the detriment of "others"... sorry you're out of the loop, but don't get out of the context.
>> But in my humble opinion, the kind of person interested in
>> personal happiness uber-alles probably doesn't care very
>> much about what's detrimental to anyone besides their own
>> circle of acquaintance.
>
> And someone who is pro-porn is, therefore, interested in
> "persoanl happiness uber-alles"? How do you make that
> leap?
Right here, in regard to your written statements specifically:
> Not among the people I know. Some of the
> best porn today is being done by amateurs
> in an non-industry way.
It just about *your* acquaintances, and what *you* consider best.
Get a bigger world...
Leigh
>
> Brian Dauth
> Queer Buddhist Resister
>
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