> The Islamists are fighting to free their homeland of
> foreign occupation or
> the threat of same,
But neo-Nazis in Germany will tell you they are doing the exact same thing.
Germany is no longer subject to allied occupation, but there are still American military bases throughout the country. And the Nazis view the postwar Federal Republic as an illegitimate state forced upon the German people by the allied occupiers, much as many Arabs and Muslims view Israel as an artifical, illegitimate creation of the United Nations forced upon the indigenous population.
>which conforms to the principle
> of national
> self-determination
I don't, but that would necessitate another thread. If anyone is interested in having that discussion, I am open to it.
, which I support. The objective
> of European fascists is
> to ensure the subjegation of coloured citizens and
> immigrants in their
> countries in the name of white Christian
> civilization, which I oppose.
Germany does not have any sort of indigenous minorities, other than the Sorbs and Wendts, indigenous slavic groups concentrated primarily in parts of Brandenburg and Saxony.
Any other racial or ethnic minority are immigrant groups. Turks in Berlin, Hamburg, and other major West German cities, but also Italians and people from the former Yugoslavia, all of which were brought in as "Gastarbeiter" (guest workers) during the Wirtschaftswunder. From the former East Germany, there are only pockets of Vietnamese, in the larger urban areas like eastern Berlin, Leipzig, Chemnitz, Dresden, but the majority had their residence status stripped after the reunification.
Nazis can arguably make the same arguments against these groups that many make about the presence of Jews in Palestine, that they are outsiders, an artificial imposition, etc.
In fact, the smoother Nazi ideologues, especially the ones influenced by the French "New Right," would insist that they are not anti-Turkish, anti-Muslim or whatever. They are simply for having "Germany for the Germans," and frame their demands using the same national liberation framework. They are also for self-determination of nations, according to them. They don't want Palestinians in Berlin, but they certainly support Palestine for the Palestinians. They are not for the subjugation or opression of foreigners, rather, they are for returning these foreigners to their native countries (the argument that a teenager of Turkish parents born in Berlin-Kreuzberg who speaks no Turkish and grows up speaking German does not interest them, since being German is a question of blood).
Also, many are not supporters of "Christian white civilization," viewing Christianity as a Semitic, non-European imposition. There is huge interest in Nazi circles for the religious symbolisms of Celtic/Germanic/Nordic and other pagan cultures.
Mainstream far-right politicians like Berlusconi might pay lip service to Christianity, but the militant, anti-capitalist, national liberation Nazis do not.
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> I think Tariq Ali is appropriately trying to correct
> an adaptation to
> Islamic fundamentalism by a part of the
> anti-imperialist left, such as we
> have seen on this list. But I think he would also
> agree that, while Islamist
> ideology has right-wing characteristics, the
> European fascist movements
> place a much greater emphasis on race and ethnicity
> than does Islam, which
> is actually among the most ecumenical and
> multiracial of creeds.
I think you are right about the "internationalist" character of political Islam. But there are historical ties to Naziism just as deep as those of the Zionist revisionists. The Muslim Brotherhood enjoyed direct ties to the Nazis.
People like our comrade Leninology tend to treat the historical ties between radical Islam and the Nazis as simply a question of expediency, but are not willing to extend the same courtesy to the right-wing Zionists. Given that the Nazis were literally attempting to exterminate the European Jews, I find it curious that our anti-Zionist comrades are not willing to acknowledge that the right-Zionists, in trying to bring as many Jews as possible to Palestine, were not pursuing a similar realpolitik.
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