[lbo-talk] Fwd: Notes from the Siege 9&10

[Marvin Gandall]

Actually, the error was mine, not Joanna's. I've also believed for some time
that the Yiddish-speaking Jews in Eastern Europe constituted a nation, a
part of which reconstituted itself as a Hebrew-speaking nation in Israel.
Diaspora Jews do not share a common language, culture, territory, etc.,
although the Holocaust is still a fresh historical memory for them and the
trauma it has engendered is the foremost reason for their support of Israel
as an ultimate refuge. Hence, their self-identification a "nation" in exile,
although the great majority are unwilling to "return" to Israel, primarily
because its language and culture is not their own.

Zeev was Jabotinsky's Hebrew name, Vladimir his Russian. I think he is
mostly known by the former now.


>
> --- joanna <123hop at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> >   From this persepective, I think the
>> > Zionists, who have subtly tried to transform
>> Judaism from a religion
>> > to an
>> > "ethnicity", are closer to the racist ideology of
>> the European
>> > fascists. The
>> > followers of Zeev Jabotinsky - the ideological
>> forebears of the Israeli
>> > right - were quite explicit about this connection.
>>
>>
>
> They didn't have to transform anything. At the time
> the European Zionists were living (I think you mean
> Vladimir Jabotinsky, right?), and still today in large
> areas of Europe, Jews were/are considered an
> ethnicity. Until the Holocaust, unassimilated Jews
> lived in their own separate areas or villages, spoke a
> different language, and had a very different culture
> from the peoples around them. They were a nation.
>
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