> Miles:
>
> Even Woj can't believe that so
> many people chose that behavior on the basis of their own moral
> standards and attitudes.
>
>
> [WS:] Nowhere did I say that the participants of Milgram studies - or for
> that matter people in general - chose their behavior on the basis of their
> own moral standards and attitudes. They chose to follow an authority
figure
> instead - but the did make that choice - a choice between an authority
> figure and their own moral standards.
>
> If you are saying that people in that room had no choice and *had to* go
> with the procedure - you are not only fooling yourself but you are missing
> the main point of Milgram experiments. That point is that people *choose*
> to follow an authority figure despite their own moral conviction and
> knowledge - not that they *forced* to do follow it. They were not forced,
> they chose to participate voluntarily - and that is the scary part which
> many liberal bleeding hearts fail to acknowledge.
>
> Wojtek
>
This is just obscene. Only Woj can start with an unconstructed "free"
individual and then proclaim any and all action short of a gun to the head,
nay even there we have a choice, to be evidence of the freedom to choose.
Woj according to your logic when people "choose" to follow "authority" they
are making a free choice and hence "authority" bears no particular (ie
exceptional) responsibility for the actions of those that choose to follow
them. Well at least now I know why I should loath Americans and not Fox
news or the White House.
Travis