[lbo-talk] Dealing with the 'new anti-semitism'

Angelus Novus fuerdenkommunismus at yahoo.com
Sun Sep 3 07:50:32 PDT 2006


--- Bill Bartlett <billbartlett at dodo.com.au> wrote:


> Dinosaurs are also part of the history of the world.
> Do you think it
> is impossible for the world, or human society, to
> evolve?

Of course. That's why I am for the abolition of state and capital. I just don't think Israel is the worst example of either existing in the world today, nor do I think the nasty things Israel does constitute "genocide."


> Wrong again, on both counts.

Well, that's good then. You should generalize your critique of both, then. An exclusive focus on Israel is not just limited, I think ultimately it inhibits people from drawing generalized conclusions about states and capitalism.


> I guess what bothers me most of all is that you are
> claiming to be on
> my side.

I assume by "your side" you mean those opposed to state and capital? It's a small minority of people on this planet, and presumably there will be differences of opinion.


> With friends like you, enemies would be the
> least of our
> problems.

Because I remain unconvinced that what Israel practices is "genocide"?


> So now you are pretending not to have heard that
> Israel is, by
> design, a Jewish state?

No, of course Israel is a self-defined Jewish state, just as Germany is a self-defined "German" state. But "monocultural" would not apply in either case, even with the exclusionary mechanisms that are operative for all states.


>Perhaps
> you are deliberately trying to provoke outrage, that
> is to say you
> are a pure and genuine Troll?

No, but I doubt if anything I will say will convince you of that.

I've noticed, though, that in discussions with the Anglophone left about Israel, the word "troll" is very quickly applied, presumably because it is uncommon for people to hold an opinion that doesn't view Israel as anything other than the immediate successor of National Socialist Germany.

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