Third party candidacies have not bolstered or deterred the pragmatic approach; history has just recently borne that out.
Real ongoing effort needs to be made to change the entire political system in the US-- and this will have to go far beyond liberals supporting this or that figurehead every 4 years, and arguing back and forth about how said candidate will 'play in the sticks.' Democrats have no material interest in such an effort.
andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote: So absolutism works so well? Don't vote, vote for the Socialist Party or Nader. Let McCain win. That worked so well too. We are faced with ugly and unappy choices. I have been on both sides of this -- yours for 15 years. I don't know the right answer. Are you sure you do?
--- amadeus amadeus wrote:
> yeah, let's stick with pragmatism.... it worked so
> well in the last two elections...
>
> andie nachgeborenen
> wrote: I am aware of Obama's limitations. But it
> already says
> something that the conservative press feels it has
> to
> race bait him as an Ayrab terrorist rather than as a
> black man. He's also not quite as centrist as you
> are
> making out -- he's not a Clinton (Bill or Hilary),
> he
> record in Illinois is pretty good; he's now running
> on
> having opposed the war; it's true his style is
> highly
> conciliatory and he opposes conflict and will not
> fight hard for things we want and need. But does
> have
> a gift for winning over conservatives without
> pandering to them, basically by making it seem as
> (and
> maybe it is true) that he really listens. And the
> candidates who support the positions we like --
> Edwards to some degree, Kuchinich -- poll in the
> single digits and have no choice. So insofar as one
> is
> going to play presidential game at all, at the
> present
> it's Obama or Hilary, and he's way better and has a
> far better chance. She's way too polarizing. Usual
> caveats about spineless and untrustworthy Democrats.
>
>
> --- Doug Henwood wrote:
>
> >
> > On Jan 20, 2007, at 1:18 PM, Michael Pollak wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Doug Henwood wrote:
> > >
> > >> His name - Barack Hussein Obama - will do the
> > rest of the work. Is
> > >> there any way a dark-skinned man with a name
> like
> > that could ever
> > >> get elected?
> > >
> > > But conversely, for that very reason, if he
> could,
> > wouldn't it mean
> > > something?
> >
> > Yeah, it'd mean the American people could swallow
> > post-political
> > centrism in an all-new wrapper.
> >
> > Doug
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