[lbo-talk] Bet your life (Was Re: Michael Lerner tattles: the state ofthe antiwar movement)

andie nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Wed Sep 12 00:51:48 PDT 2007


Of course it is an absurd law. So is this:

MILITARY COMMISSIONS ACT OF 2006, 10 USC 947, 950v (ironically including torture)

but people have been indefinitely detained without charges or access to the writ of habeas corpus because of it. See Sec 950(j)(B) (". . . . notwithstanding any other provision of law (including section 2241 of title 28 or any other habeas corpus provision), no court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider any claim or cause of action whatsoever . . . .");

See COMPARATIVE PERSPECTIVES ON THE DETENTION OF TERRORIST SUSPECTS, Transnat'l L. & Contemp. Probs. 773, 871 (2007); MAKING A BURLESQUE OF THE CONSTITUTION: MILITARY TRIALS OF CIVILIANS IN THE WAR AGAINST TERRORISM, 31 Vt. L. Rev. 447, 555 (2007)

So is this:

18 U.S.C. 2384 "If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both."

It's still the law. And you can still go to jail -- or the case of USAPA violations for domestic terrorism, be put to death, if you violate it.

Maybe the "best" way to oppose these laws is through mass civil disobedience. But we don't always get to do the best things. Where will you get the people to commit this mass civil disobedience? Are you keeping them in a hat?

However, despite Lynne Stewart's terrorism conviction for representing her client, we NLG lawyers will defend any of you optimistic idiots who attempt CD in defiance of these laws.

--- Chuck <chuck at mutualaid.org> wrote:


> andie nachgeborenen wrote:
>
> > § 802 of the PATRIOT Act amends 18 U.S.C. § 2331
> by
> > adding to its coverage “domestic terrorism”
> defined
> > to mean activities that:
> >
> > (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are
> a
> > violation of the criminal laws of the United
> States or
> > of any State;
> > (B) appear to be intended-
> > (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
>
> Whoop-de-doo!
>
> By that definition, we are all terrorists. It's an
> absurd law, so the
> best way to deal with it is to throw it back in
> their faces with
> militant direct action.
>
> Chuck0
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