sorry to sound flip, "read a book", but given the stuff you type at the list and others ideas you've expressed, i really think you'll appreciate the insights in this book.
more in archives http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/2005/2005-November/023834.html
http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/2000/2000-July/013675.html
At 09:10 PM 7/22/2008, Joseph Catron wrote:
>We seem to be having multiple conversations in this thread
>simultaneously. I'll not dwell on the point, other than to say that I
>read nothing in your reply below conflicting with my post, to which it
>was apparently intended as a critical response.
>
>I will, however, note how some of the loaded language used here shapes
>the conversation. Is the idea of professors as "hired help,"
>obligated to help students prepare for their chosen careers, really so
>outrageous? However we cut the numbers, I hope we can agree that
>many, many students attend college with vocational goals foremost in
>their minds.
>
>And why is conflating tenured academics with residential housekeepers,
>or whatever else "hired help" means, so evocative? They're people who
>do jobs, some parts of which they like more than others, for money,
>right?
>
>On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 7:58 PM, John Thornton <jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > For starters State University students and Community College students have
> > never made we wish for an explosive laden vest.
> >
> > My only elite college experience is at Harvard but I have heard from
> > reliable persons that my impressions were typical of other similar
> > institutions.
> >
> > The sense of entitlement at such schools is almost unbelievable unless
> > you've spent much time with these fucks.
> > Their attitude is, as someone pointed out, that the Professors and
> > instructors are mere servants.
> > People whose job it is is to validate the students preconceived ideas about
> > themselves as elites.
> > I've never experienced that from any of the students at any of the State
> > Universities I've had the pleasure of associating with.
> > You have to be taught such ideas from early childhood and State University
> > students seldom, if ever, receiving such developmental training.
>
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