To have our candidates advocate admitting the ex-Republics into NATO is still a stupid and dangerous thing, and it's not like it's something they have to say like, We Love Israel Better Than Anyplace Except Here, The Greatest Country On Earth, The Land Of Opportunity, etc. Most Americans don't know where Ukraine is, what NATO is, and they probably think that Russia is still Communist. Am I right, Doug? So this bluster is unnecessary as well as dumb.
--- On Wed, 10/8/08, Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] [Marxism-Thaxis] Obama falters McCain the winner
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 1:48 PM
> Fat chance. Ukrainians favor a closer union with Russia over
> NATO (even EU) membership by a factor of 3 to 1. The only
> "pro-Western" segment of Ukrainian society is in
> the rural western third of the country, which not by
> coincidence is not historically part of Ukraine or Ukrainian
> culture, but rather a heavily Polish region grafted on by
> Stalin.
>
> I think it's mostly bluster, actually. It's not
> like either Obama or McCain could say anything else.
>
> --- On Wed, 10/8/08, andie nachgeborenen
> <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > What is really scary, though, and what no one I have
> heard
> > discuss has remarked, is that both candidates,
> including
> > BHO, want to get the former Soviet Republics,
> including
> > Ukraine, into NATO. For people -- both McCain and BHO
> -- who
> > sday they don't want to start a new cold war, that
> is a
> > pretty strange way to go about it, because that is
> exactly
> > what surrounding Russia with NATO countries, some of
> which
> > used to be sister Republics and share extended borders
> with
> > Russia, would do.
> >
> > I do trust that the Russians will continue to be
> stable and
> > cool-headed and not start shooting, but they will
> reignite
> > the arms race, and we, of course, will
> "have" to
> > respond, and we will back in the pre-perestroika era
> with
> > the great power politics of the 19th century. That
> will be
> > extremely expensive for countries that, like us,
> can't
> > afford it, and extremely dangerous in terms is raising
> the
> > geopolitical military temperature fought, if people
> are sane
> > about it, through proxy wars. One doesn't really
> want
> > top have to start thinking (again)( aboout what it
> means if
> > they are not sane.
> >
>
>
>
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