> At 01:25 PM 10/15/2009, Marv Gandall wrote:>
>>I don't know what segregationist union(s) Dennis is referring to, but:
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> I'm talking about historically.
Ah, "historically". How long do you intend visiting the sins of their
forebears on contemporary trade unions? What has this to do with the
present discussion?
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MG: You would hardly know this from the tenor of the debates over class and
>>identity politics in academic and left-wing circles.>
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DC: You asked earlier if talking about class or identity politics was
> really that important. Since now you've said you don't know what
> segregationism in unions I'm talking about, should we also assume you
> wonder if history is that important?
I still don't know what unions you're referring to which currently
"exclude blacks". Clearly, you don't either. As for history, I think it is
very important to study it. I don't have any doubt about that at all.
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DC: So what kind of politics are you left with if class, identity, and
> history aren't considered as that important?
Good politics, I hope. The disputes over class and identity politics which so engage you seem to be largely irrelevant to class-, gender- and race-based organizations for the reasons I've mentioned. They'd become important issues in and between these organizations if they became as important and as divisive as for yourself and some others on the list.
But let me leave the last word to you...