[lbo-talk] Materialism is a form of idealism

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Chris Doss lookoverhere1
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Materialism is not the belief in objective reality. Everybody believes
in objective reality except the utter solipsist, of which in
philosophy there are none. Platonic Forms are an objective reality.
Absolute Spirit is an objective reality. Not even Berkeley believed
there was no objective reality (in his case, God). Materialism is the
belief that what underlies objective reality is matter (whatever that
is), as opposed to idealism, the belief that what underlies objective
reality is idea (whatever that is).

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CB:  Not that matter "underlies" objective reality, but that there is
nothing but matter.   There's nothing and there's matter.

Ideas or human mind are a form of matter. Beliefs are matter.

Mach argues that we only have consciousness of  "sense data" or some
such term, and can't be certain that there is a reality beyond our
consciousness of these. This logically reduces to subjective idealism.
(See _Materialism and Empirio-Criticism_)