On Sep 20, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Chris Doss wrote:
> We all believe things that have no rational grounds -- there is an
> external world, the future will be like the past, every effect has a
> cause.
Of course there are rational grounds for believing those "things." Our practical activities all presuppose them, and every moment of our lives proves them by the test of practice. Belief in a deity of any kind, if that deity is made even part of the expectation for any human activity, disproves itself in practice very quickly.
> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Michael McIntyre <morbidsymptoms at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Belief in a deity of any kind requires you to suspend the ordinary
> requirement of
>>
>> some kind of rational grounds for belief.
Shane Mage
> This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it
> always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire,
> kindling in measures and going out in measures."
>
> Herakleitos of Ephesos