[lbo-talk] Noam 1, Israelo-apartheid 0

Carrol Cox cbcox at ilstu.edu
Fri May 21 14:25:08 PDT 2010


I think Lewontin has recengly written a pretty devastating critique of the metaphor of "natural selection," pointing out that it confuses professional biologists as well as lay people. It just isn't useful in general conversation and it is of doubtful use in technical discussion or thought.

Charles is too anxious to have a foundation. Actually Arendt took care of this a half century ago in her discussion of the (no-existence of) the Archimedean point.

Carrol

Miles Jackson wrote:
>
> c b wrote:
> > ^^^^
> > CB On this, do you consider that _any_ human psychological
> > characteristics are the result of natural selection, or that none at
> > all are ? I would say that altruism bestowed naturally selective
> > advantage on humans. Our high level of sociality is adaptive in the
> > Darwinian sense . This is the exact opposite of bourgeois social
> > "darwinism".
> >
>
> As andie repeatedly points out (on hiatus?), you can make up any kind of
> just-so stories you want about the "selective advantages" of
> characteristic X. That kind of data-free speculation doesn't contribute
> at all to testing or evaluating modern evolutionary theory. Similarly,
> concerning the tired nature/nurture debate you allude to above: the only
> reasonable response to the question, "Are human psychological
> characteristics the result of natural selection, or are none the result
> of natural selection" is "yes".
>
> > CB: I think we should take a different approach. We should argue
> > that humans' sociality and culture bestowed adaptive advantage on our
> > species, and that , if not "justice", then "love" and altruism are
> > part of the original human essence. I use "essence" instead of
> > "nature", because I'm saying that culture, that defining
> > characteristic of our species, is fundamentally social and altruistic.
> > (Or it was; it has turned into its opposite in many ways with the rise
> > of class antagonistic society).
> >
>
> Well, we can make up any narratives we want. Just don't call it
> empirically validated evolutionary theory.
>
> Miles
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