OK - not a Mosque. A community center that includes a Mosque. Need to get at least this right.
> 1. It would suggest that ISLAM, as an essentialised entity (discounting the
> range is Islams), had everything to do with the attacks on the World Trade
> Centre; that the attacks were written in the Quran or Hadith. I believe it was a
> violent and brutal attack for social (political) and historical reasons. (I may
> have to rethink/rephrase this)
Your own citing of the range in Islam contradicts this. Do you hold Christianity as an essentialized entity responsible for Christian bombings of U.S. women's centers?
> 2. Building the Mosque is provocative in the same way as telling people not to
> sing the US national anthem at a baseball match (or going to a kosher/halal
> market and insisting that they sell you bacon )
Factually you are wrong. My own previous lbo email I think summarized the reply to this:
>Originally the Cordoba House had wide support across the political
spectrum outside the Muslim community including liberals and including
right wing commentators on Fox. It was only when Fox started
promoting right wing extremist Muslim bashing against the Islamic
community center that opposition to it was stirred up. So it is not,
as Ramadan implies, that the Muslim community accidentally crossed a
line they insensitively missed, and triggered all this hate. Rather,
after they had crossed a point with no opposition, a line was drawn
behind them with much shouting that they had crossed it.
>Giving in to this bullying will gain the Muslim community nothing. The
process of drawing a line behind you, then crying about how
insensitive you are for having crossed that line can always be
repeated. Right wing extremists can always weep crocodile tears at
imaginary offenses as an excuse to take away real rights. Better to
fight it now, without giving racists a precedent to cite the next
time.
> 3. BOTH THE ABOVE HAVE TO BE SEEN IN THE FOLLOWING CONTEXT: I really don't
> care where people build their churches, as long as it does not involve breaking
> down people's homes, displacement of people etc.... I really don't give a toss
Except you are siding with racists and Muslim bashers. And maybe if you were simply saying true things that happen to unfortunately help them that would be one thing. But you are saying stuff that is wrong and is also helpful to them. In this context you may want to think it through very carefully and make sure you are right.
> 4. I guess what I am saying is good luck; you have better chance building an
> icon of consumer capitalism on the site.
I think your last two points are just taking a foolish mistake and adding a passive aggressive tone. I think if you insist on the first two it is actually less harsh without the last two. But I think you are wrong on the first two points to begin with.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ismail
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>
> Ismail Lagardien
> Department of Politics and Public Administration
>
> Elon University
> Elon, NC
> 27244
>
> Tel: +1(612) 227-5037 (Personal)
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>
> ________________________________
> From: Miles Jackson <cqmv at pdx.edu>
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Sent: Tue, 14 September, 2010 17:26:02
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Paglia on Gaga
>
> On 9/14/2010 1:53 PM, Dennis Claxton wrote:
>>
>> Here's hoping this collection is saved:
>>
>>http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-music-man-20100816,0,4425495,print.story
>>
>>
>> Collector doesn't want these tracks in the trash
>>
>>
>> "The collection is worth $3 [million] to $4 million, I'd guess. But a half
>>million will allow me to breathe easier," Greshenz said. "I'm not setting a
>>deadline, but my ability to pay the rent will determine it. I can go another
>>couple of months. I don't want this collection to be taken over by trash bins."
>
> If Greshenz is so interested in saving the music in his collection, why are the
> only options buying the whole collection or putting it in the bin? There are
> thousands of record enthusiasts who would buy these records if they didn't have
> to buy all 400,000! I just don't get what's so important about "keeping the
> collection intact". Granted, it's a huge number of records, but the collection
> has no intrinsic meaning or value as a collection to anyone except Greshenz.
>
> Miles
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